Beiträge von Eldorado

    @ Ulfur


    Mensch Meier wie oft haben wir die Hippos durch den Schlamm gezogen im Droppy thread. :D


    Der Kebble ist der groesste Bazi und Jew Boy von Joburg,ich gespannt wie der nun aus dem Wasser kommt.


    Hier ist fast alles moeglich, ich denke mal positiv und sehe das eher als eine Show mit Kebble und RR called who is who in the Zoo.


    Monkey Shows haben wir fast jeden Tag, auch im Forum. :D


    Gnight


    XEX


    In apparent recognition that investors have more questions than answers, Kebble has once again said that within weeks, R&E will appoint two non-executive independent directors. Such an undertaking was first made on April 29, when R&E said two such directors would replace two incumbent directors. In May, R&E announced that Stephen Tainton and Gordon Miller had resigned as directors.


    That left as R&E directors Kebble, as CEO, along with his father, Roger Kebble (non-executive chairman), Hennie Buitendag (CFO), Lunga Ncwana (non-executive director), and Brenda Madumise and Chris Nissen (both cited as “independent non-executive directors”). However, Madumise and Nissen, along with Ncwana, have vested interests in Inkwenkwezi.


    And Brett Kebble is, of course, CEO of Western Areas.


    Na wer hat nun rechtlich die Shares oder wo sind sie denn hingekommen ???? :D :D :D

    @ Edel Man


    Also beleidige nicht so primitiv unsere "Freunde". :D
    Sie wollen doch nur unser Bestes, ....unser Geld !! :D
    Wenn man die alle in einen Sack steckt und drauf haut erwischt man nie den falschen. :D Sage bloss nichts boeses ueber die !



    Cheers ;)


    XEX


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



    INVESTOR ALERT--"Top 10" investment frauds



    MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA (August 15, 2005) – Joseph P. Borg, Director of the Alabama Securities Commission, today released an updated list of the “Top 10” scams, risky investments or sales practice abuses they’re fighting. New to the third annual list are unscrupulous brokers, conflicts of interest in analyst research, charitable gift annuities, and oil and natural gas scams.


    “Record-low interest rates and a bear market on Wall Street have created a bull market in fraud on Main Street,” said Borg. “Con artists know investors are concerned about low interest rates on fixed investments and volatility in the stock market, so they pitch their scams as safe alternatives and promise high returns – an impossible combination.”


    The 2005 list was again topped by independent insurance agents selling risky or fraudulent securities. Borg said that while most independent insurance agents are honest professionals, too many are letting high commissions lure them into selling high risk or fraudulent investments.


    The federal war on terror and large budget deficits at the state level are diverting or pinching resources to fight investment fraud, Borg warned.



    “Putting people in jail gives investors the biggest bang for their regulatory buck,” said Borg. “So legislators at all levels need to ensure that prosecutors have sufficient resources to successfully bring securities cases.”


    Here are the “Top 10” investment scams, ranked roughly in order of prevalence or seriousness:


    1. Unlicensed individuals, such as independent insurance agents, selling securities. In hundreds of cases from Washington to Florida, scam artists are using high commissions to entice independent insurance agents into selling investments they may know little about. The person running the scam instructs the independent sales force – usually insurance agents but sometimes investment advisers and accountants – to promise high returns with little or no risk. For example:


    In an alleged scam sold almost entirely by independent insurance agents, investors in at least 14 states lost close to $30 million. According to Ohio securities regulators, money raised from the sale of fictitious limited partnerships was used to make interest payments to another group of promissory note investors. Both groups were promised double-digit returns. The promoter falsely claimed he had a lucrative “connection” to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and that he had earned Ph.D.’s in finance from Oxford and Ohio State University – claims insurance agents used to sell the scam. In April a court issued a preliminary injunction and appointed a receiver in connection with the allegations.
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    Earlier this month, an Arizona insurance agent was sentenced to 10 years in prison for selling $1.8 million in worthless stock and bogus promissory notes to investors. Another Arizona insurance agent was sentenced in May to five years in prison for scamming 32 elderly investors out of nearly $2 million by first soliciting them to purchase ‘living trusts’ and then switching them into annuities and finally into bogus promissory notes. A third Arizona insurance agent, working with his two sons, scammed $16.2 million by selling high risk brokered CDs, viatical contracts, real estate deals and equipment leases. They were ordered to repay all $16.2 million and fined another $133,000.


    To verify that a person is licensed or registered to sell securities, call the Alabama Securities Commission. If the person is not registered, don’t invest.



    2. Unscrupulous stockbrokers. The declining stock market has caused some brokers to cut corners or resort to outright fraud, say state securities regulators. In addition, some investors have grown more cautious and are scrutinizing their brokerage statements for unexplained fees, unauthorized trades or other irregularities. In North Dakota, regulators acting on a complaint from an investors who received conflicting account statements discovered that two brokers working for H.D. Vest Investment Securities Inc. had been issued fictitious account statements executed hundreds of unauthorized trades and made unsuitable recommendations – over 80 percent of their clients were trading put options – to investors. Under a settlement agreement with state securities regulators, H.D. Vest agreed to repay clients’ out-of-pocket losses plus 6 percent, totaling over $3.2 million.



    In New York, the attorney general’s office took action against seven brokers and two firms for bilking hundreds of elderly investors out of more than $12.5 million through a pay telephone scam. The brokers pressured investors into liquidating their CDs, annuities and IRAs, sometimes at significant penalty, and promised them “risk-free” 14 percent returns. So far one firm has agreed to pay $5.9 million in restitution.



    3. Analyst research conflicts. In May, the New York Attorney General’s office concluded a 10-month investigation into whether Merrill Lynch had issued misleading research reports by entering into a settlement agreement with the firm. Under the agreement, Merrill Lynch agreed to pay a $100 million fine and make significant changes to way it does business. NASAA is assisting a multi-state task force investigating conflict of interest issues at Wall Street firms. The primary focus of the ongoing investigation is to determine whether analysts issued glowing research reports and made buy recommendations in order to win investment banking business. State investigators are now reviewing materials provided by a dozen firms for possible securities law violations.



    In June NASAA learned of an attempt by Morgan Stanley Dean Witter to amend an early version of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act with language that would have ended the states’ probe into whether Wall Street analysts intentionally misled investors. NASAA held a press conference and met with lawmakers; the draft amendment was ultimately not included in the bill.



    4. Promissory notes. These are short-term debt instruments often sold by independent insurance agents and issued by little-known or non-existent companies promising high returns – upwards of 15 percent monthly – with little or no risk.


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    In June, four Georgia-based scam artists were each sentenced to 17 ½ years in prison for recruiting independent insurance agents to sell millions of dollars worth of bogus promissory notes. While investors were promised nine-month returns as high as 21 percent, half of each investment went straight to commissions that were divided among company principals and sales agents. Acting on a tip from the Better Business Bureau, Georgia securities regulators seized nearly $5 million of the $8 million stolen from local investors and, together with federal investigators, used the evidence uncovered to broaden their investigation and prepare criminal charges. In the end, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with Georgia regulators, found the ringleader – Virgil Womack – had scammed over $150 million from investors nationwide. Of the $150 million, nearly $90 million was seized and returned to investors. The average age of the victims was 68.



    In another case, a Maine court sentenced an insurance agent to seven years in prison for running a promissory note scam that took 25 investors for more than $1 million. The agent, who was sentenced in June, told investors the notes were “better than certificates of deposit and life insurance policies,” regulators said, and that they would yield 10 percent to 12 percent returns annually.



    “A 12 percent return may not seem over-the-top by bull market standards, but it’s far more than banks are offering now for insured deposits,” said Chris Bruenn, administrator for the Maine Office of Securities.



    5. Prime banks. Scammers promise investors triple-digit returns through access to the investment portfolios of the world’s elite banks. Purveyors of these schemes often target conspiracy theorists, promising access to the “secret” investments used by the Rothschilds or Saudi royalty.



    In Texas, a Harlingen-based con artist promised returns of 6 percent to 8 percent a month through a secretive web of money dealers supposedly set up by a coalition of governments in 1914 to pay for World War I debt. In videotape shown at Monday’s press conference, the promoter claimed that seven “world traders” control the entire global money supply. In the end, the scam took over 300 investors for roughly $6 million.




    6. Viatical settlements. Originated as a way to help the gravely ill pay their bills, these interests in the death benefits of terminally ill patients are always risky and sometimes fraudulent. The insured gets a percentage of the death benefit in cash and investors get a share of the death benefit when the insured dies. Because of uncertainties predicting when someone will die, these investments are extremely speculative. In a new twist, Pennsylvania regulators say “senior settlements” – interests in the death benefits of healthy older people – are now being offered to investors.



    In June, 15 individuals were indicted in connection with a scam that cost hundreds of investors nationwide at least $100 million. State securities and insurance regulators, together with federal regulators, allege the individuals, employed by Liberte Capital Group, were involved in a scheme to buy life insurance policies from terminally ill individuals who lied to insurance companies about their medical conditions. Liberte managers used investor funds to support lavish lifestyles, including investments and the purchase of large homes and dozens of boats and cars. A receiver has been appointed in the case.


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    7. Affinity fraud. Many scammers use their victim’s religious or ethnic identity to gain their trust – knowing that it’s human nature to trust people who are like you – and then steal their life savings. From “gifting” programs at some churches to foreign exchange scams targeted at Asian Americans, no group seems to be without con artists who seek to take advantage of the trust of others.



    In Alabama, nine individuals have been charged with scamming members at the Daystar Assembly of God church in Prattville out of more than $3 million. Investors were told their money would be used to purchase retirement properties in Florida. The income generated by the Florida properties would be used to payoff the mortgage of the Prattville church and build a large activity park, investors were told. In reality, state securities regulators allege, the money went to pay off investors in a previous scam and to purchase equipment for unrelated businesses.



    8. Charitable gift annuities. These annuities are transfers of cash or property to a charitable organization. The value of the annuity is less than the value of the cash or property, with the difference constituting a charitable donation. While most annuities offered by charitable organizations are legitimate investments, investors should be cautious of little-known organizations or those that provide only sketchy information.



    In Arizona, regulators uncovered a scam that took 430 investors nationwide for an average of $133,000. The scam involved the purchase of charitable gift annuities from the Mid-America Foundation. According to regulators, Robert Dillie, founder of Mid-America, ran what amounted to a $54 million Ponzi scheme through a network of independent insurance agents, financial planners and accountants. Dillie used investors funds to purchase three homes in Las Vegas, a ranch in South Dakota, pay child support, book charter flights and support his extensive gambling.



    “Unfortunately, Mid-America is not an isolated scam,” Mark Sendrow, director of securities for the Arizona Corporation Commission told reporters Monday. “We are looking at two more foundations in the Phoenix area which have issued millions of dollars of charitable gift annuities in the last few years, and both were basically penniless before they began issuing them.”



    9. Oil and gas schemes. These scams follow the headlines, rising in frequency with predictions of oil shortages or a rise in gas prices. In Arkansas, securities regulators forced Energy Consultants and Ark-La-Tex Consulting Co., L.L.C. to discontinue their marketing efforts after finding a natural gas well touted to investors as a ‘can’t lose’ opportunity hadn’t produced natural gas in years.



    10. Equipment leasing. While the vast majority of equipment leasing deals are legitimate, thousands of investors have been scammed by individuals selling interests in payphones, ATMs or Internet kiosks. In a typical equipment leasing scam, a company sells a piece of equipment through a middleman. As part of the sale, the company agrees to lease back and service the equipment for a fee. Investors are promised high returns with little or no risk. But state regulators say high commissions paid to salesmen and promised returns that are unrealistically high doom many projects. In North Carolina, regulators took action against an individual who sold an Internet kiosk to an investor for $24,950, promising a 17 percent return. The individual had previously sold payphone leases to investors from a company that later filed for bankruptcy.


    Before investing, state securities regulators urge investors to call their offices and ask if the individual selling the investment is licensed to do so. Regulators say investors can also save themselves a lot of grief by asking a second question – whether the investment itself is registered. To check out an investment or salesperson, contact the Alabama Securities Commission:

    Pascal


    Ja wenn man Gold nicht stoppen kann dann stoppt man eben den HUI, ganz einfach. Ist schon komisch, Gold steigt fast 4 Dollar und der HUI faellt, ein verrueckter Markt mit vielen Tricks im Spiel.


    Hier findet man einige Antworten:
    http://www.sec.gov/rules/petit…-500/jdfinnerty050505.pdf


    Und so wie bei KRY kann man es mit den anderen auch machen, aber es gibt ja keine Manipulation. :D
    Alles dumme Verschwoerungstheorien !!! :D


    http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=12062

    Kebble’s R1.4-bn gold conundrum


    The two sides of how 14-m shares in Randgold Resources, worth $200-m, have apparently gone walkabout. ?(


    Bear with us a while, and read this mystery story of a vanishing $200-m in shares that high-profile South African mining executive Brett Kebble claims belong to a company he controls as CEO.


    The story begins on page 65 of the Randgold Resources (RRL) “20-F”annual report, filed in the US on June 30, 2005, where footnote two points to how 14.4-m shares in RRL cannot be attributed to Kebble’s Randgold & Exploration (R&E), which claims ownership.


    Arcane as it may sound, the question is of vital importance to investors in R&E, which, for many months, has stated that it holds 18.4-m shares in RRL, currently worth $260-m. According to RRL, R&E holds 4-m shares in RRL, period. ?(


    R&E holds its primary listing in Johannesburg; RRL holds its main one in London, and both stocks are listed on the Nasdaq exchange in the US. For some years, R&E’s stake in RRL has comprised the majority of its tangible underlying value.


    With RRL currently trading at $14.05 a share, R&E should be trading at about $3.50 a share (calculated simply by multiplying R&E’s apparent 18.4-m shares in RRL by $14.05 and dividing by the 75-m issued shares in R&E). 8o


    According to an R&E release on April 29 this year, however, RRL comprises just over half its net asset value (NAV); on that basis, R&E should be trading up around $6 a share. In practice, R&E is currently trading at just $1.70 a share. There has been a huge, if not overwhelming, feet-vote by shareholders, who first got a whiff that R&E may have been selling off its RRL shares two years back.


    Since then, measured on the Nasdaq, RRL’s shares are up by roughly 60% (and trading close to record levels); R&E’s are down by roughly 60%. RRL, which was a near-irrelevant incubated backroom R&E entity a decade ago, is now valued at $832-m; R&E is worth a comparatively paltry $127-m.


    The RRL annual report (of last week) is a special one, filed as required by US law in Washington with the Securities & Exchange Commission (SEC), a federal agency. The annual report is filed as a “20-F,” and runs to more than 400 pages. However, apart from the 20-F footnote on page 65, a further number of regulatory filings in and around R&E have tossed further fat into the fire.


    On Monday this week, the JSE Securities Exchange announced in Johannesburg that R&E had failed to submit its annual report for the 12 months to December 31, 2004. The stock is now annotated with an "RE" and faces suspension on July 29, failing filing compliance by that date.


    Last week, on June 30, R&E filed with the SEC an “NT 20-F,” stating that R&E was unable to file its 20-F on the same date, for two main reasons. First, it was awaiting the 20-F filing from RRL (which was made, of course, on the same day), and second, that R&E had experienced delays in obtaining information necessary to prepare accounts according to US accounting standards.


    In 2004 (when RRL also filed its 20-F on June 30), R&E filed a similar delaying document, but complained only about accounting challenges, and not the filing date of RRL’s 20-F. However, the big difference this year is that RRL is adamant that R&E only holds 4-m shares in RRL, via Randgold Resources Holdings (RRH).


    RRL states that the figure of 4-m shares is based on its analyses of its shareholder base and other information. RRH filed a Schedule 13G/A on February 14, 2005, which reported beneficial ownership of 18.4-m RRL shares, or 31% of RRL’s total outstanding ordinary shares. Last week, RRL stated categorically in its filing with the SEC that “we have asked [RRH] for documentation supporting its claimed holdings, which to date has not been provided.”


    Separate to the filing with the SEC, RRL CEO Mark Bristow is adamant that RRL has exhaustively investigated its shareholders, including nominees. He insists that there is simply no way that R&E holds 18.4-m shares in RRL. However, Bristow is not spoiling for a fight; he points out that he is bound by laws applicable to RRL’s listings to “discover” RRL’s shareholders, whomever they may be.


    For his part, Kebble insists that the delays in R&E’s filings have been occasioned by reporting delays by certain non-South African interests and that the RRL shareholding issue has “nothing” to do with the delays.


    At the start of (calendar) 2004, R&E has stated that it held 21.5-m (36.9%) shares in RRL. Of this, 3.2-m (6.0%) shares were sold during the year. That left 18.4-m (30.9%) shares in RRL at end-2004; of which 9.9-m (16.7%) were lent to Inkwenkwezi, a black economic empowerment (BEE) entity, primarily for the purchase of the Anglo American shareholding in Western Areas (19-m shares).


    Inkwenkwezi is apparently finalising the transaction with Anglo American, and also exercising its option against R&E for 5.3-m Western Areas shares. Then there were 2-m (3.3%) RRL shares held (under R&E direction) in escrow by a vendor of a potential Angolan diamond concession as security for first right of refusal. Following completion of a due diligence, R&E elected not to pursue the opportunity and the RRL shares “are required to be returned.”


    This would have left R&E holding 6.5-m (10.9%) RRL shares directly and indirectly at end-2004; adding the Inkwenkwezi and Angolan-related shares takes the total to 18.4-m (30.9%) shares in RRL.


    Earlier this year, RRL released the results of a “global shareholder identification exercise” conducted by research group Ilios in December, which found that Merrill Lynch UK was the company's single largest shareholder, with 6.89% of RRL’s issued shares; R&E’s holding had “been reduced to 6.74%” – or 4-m shares.


    Now we come to Kebble’s conundrum which can be traced to at least the official announcement on the construction of the R&E BEE deal on June 10, 2004, when Inkwenkwezi consortium head Mafika Mkwanazi said Inkwenkwezi “would raise funds on the open market” to pay Anglo American.


    R&E gave the Inkwenkwezi consortium a 12-month call option on the shares at cost plus interest, and also pledged the shares as security against Inkwenkwezi’s obligation to Anglo American. There was not a word about the RRL shares. Kebble is, of course, also CEO of Western Areas.


    Kebble tells this journalist that he will explain everything, but not until he returns to Johannesburg from abroad on Thursday this week.


    ARTICLE TWO: DEEP UNDERCOVER [Published July 8, 2005]


    As promised, Kebble on Randgold


    Randgold & Exploration CEO Brett Kebble assures that the 18.4-m shares in Randgold Resources are as safe as a palace. ?(


    In a wide-ranging interview, mining magnate Brett Kebble has assured that the 18.4-m shares Randgold and Exploration (R&E) holds in Randgold Resources (RRL) are safe. R&E is the “beneficial owner” of the shares, according to Kebble, the CEO at R&E.

    Hi Edel und Valueman


    Das mit MFL ist so eine Sache die sich zeigen wird,chart technisch sah ich den Boden und als alter Cowboy gab ich den Gaul noch eine Chance und habe ihm ein Kissen runtergelegt. Ich bin manchmal radikal und unvernueftigt und gebe nicht so schnell auf. Ich habe heute meine Miramar verkauft mit guten Gewinn seit Mai und habe die Geruechte Kueche Randgold Exploration nachgekauft. Wieder ein Kissen,pfeif drauf zumindest ist der Ausstieg dann leichter wenn er gemacht werden muss.
    Bei Randgold Exploration geht es um die Anteile bei Randgold Resources,Financial Reports die faellig sind, die einen sagen sie haben so viel die anderen sagen sie habe viel weniger. Kebble der Anteile bei RE hat einige RR verliehen, der Mafioso ist ein ewiger Taschenspieler. Auch wenns schief gehen sollte ich habe mit RE so oft gewinne gemacht das sich das wieder ausgleichen wuerde. Bin gespannt wann der Verkaufdruck beendet ist, ich habe nochmals fuer 92 cent Range geholt. Ach immer diese Hippos und Afrikaaner wie Swanepoel, die gehen mir echt auf den Wecker und brachte mir nicht viel Glueck.


    Was die Silberoptionen angeht ist das Risiko wesentlich geringer da meiner Meinung Silber ebenfalls chartmaessig am boden ist.


    Ich erwarte das bald der Grossangriff gegen den Goldpreis beginnt wenn die 450 Dollar Marke ueberschritten ist.


    Die muessen dann was machen, schaetze man frisiert den Dollar, irgendwie.


    Gnight


    XEX

    Uhhh, das wusste ich gar nicht :D
    Ich dachte da muss man anrufen und Call schreien an Weihnachten. :D :D
    Danke fuer die Belehrung, Herr Lehrer, du meinst ich bin zum ersten mal in Optionen beteiligt. Das mache ich aber schon seit 6 Jahren, oft gings aber schief,trotzdem im Schnitt im plus damit. Die Dinger verkauft man so und so ca. 3-4 Monate bevor sie auslaufen, manchmal ist das aber auch nicht richtig. Fuer so was muss man Nerven wie Drahtseile haben und wissen wann man die Kurve kratzt. Da sind dann kurz vor dem Expire Date die boesen shortseller, analysten die negativ sind und die ihre positionen schuetzen.


    Genau von denen will ich meinen Gewinn, falls einer da ist.


    Ich erwarte die 8 Dollar schon bis Ende dieses Jahres nebenbei bemerkt.


    Aktien und vor allen Optionen sind ein Rollercoaster da gewinnt und verliert man.Keiner trifft den richtigen Zeitpunkt zu kaufen oder zu verkaufen. KEINER !!!


    But lets see..... ?(


    Mfg


    XEX

    Dear reader,



    Quite a few times, I have said that the markets of mining shares in Canada are lagging behind with the individual stocks compared to the overall metals and mining markets. The result is that in many cases, the share prices have not kept track with the developments and progress that the companies have achieved during the last 12 months. In some of my editorial comments that you could find in the latest issues of GOLDVIEW, the information bulletin of the European Gold Centre, I stated some of the reasons for this discrepancy.



    A good example of this is one of the Member Companies, i.e. Minefinders Corporation Ltd. (TSX-MFL, AMEX-MFN). The company has completed its feasibility study for its 100% owned Dolores gold and silver deposit, situated in Chihuahua, Mexico, and has commenced with the process of turning the deposit into a real mine. With sizeable production expected to begin in the second quarter of 2007, a solid projected mine life, sufficient potential to extend this life by proving up more reserves at the property, and exploring several other promising projects in Mexico and Nevada, this well-managed and financially strong company is on its way to maturity.



    The market did not properly award the company for its achievements, reflecting the general market conditions and the dissatisfaction about the long waiting for the feasibility study. Read the report in order to read more about the company, its Dolores project and why I think you should take a close look at this interesting situation.


    In case you have questions, remarks, other feed back and/or you require further information, I would appreciate to hear from you.



    Best regards,


    Henk J. Krasenberg


    European Gold Centre

    @ Goldy


    Bullenfalle ??
    Passt mir gut, bei opening gekauft und schon gehts kurz auf die 7 $ :D
    Ich habe Zeit bis Dezember 2006 die 8 Dollar zu erreichen,so viel haben wir sicher bis dort hin.


    Thank you all negative Analyst who think Silver is a dud.


    Silver is the big surprise in our century, it will outrun even Gold.


    Just watch it going up in 2006.


    XEX

    Track Record brauche ich keinen Goldy, ich bin ja kein Analyst nur ein Gold und Silberbug.
    Ich brauche Dir hier nichts beweisen,nur mir selber.
    Ausgestoppt wurde ich nicht, wie kommst du darauf. :D
    Ich denke mir das Silber mit den jetzigen Preis guenstig ist und habe eben ein paar Silbercalls gekauft.
    Ist ja mein Bier und nicht deines.
    Mach doch selber was und frag mir keine Loecher in den Bauch.
    Was und wo investierst du denn, das schreibst du nie.
    Lass dich von den Geistern beraten falls du keinen anderen findest.
    Nichts fuer ungut !


    Mfg


    XEX

    @ Ghost_God


    Dein Zitat:


    """"Dich auf primitivste Art lustig ueber den ""benannten Analysten"" - alles auf eine sehr beleidigende Art und Weise. Keine Spur von Toleranz anderen Meinungen gegenueber. """"


    ""Wenn Du jetzt zu dem stehst, was ich oben zitierte, so sollten wir in der Lage sein, zu einer ordentlich gefuehrten Diskussion zurueckzukehren.""



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    Was hat der denn fuer einen Track Rekord, wie oft lag der richtig ?
    Das wuerde mich mal interessieren, sonst nimm ich den nicht fuer voll.
    Wenn du ihn schon so verteidigst dann zeige mal wie oft der richtig lag.


    Sag mal bist du vielleicht verwandt mit den "bekannten Analysten" oder ist es ein Kollege mit dem du mal was getrunken hast ?.
    Ich habe den genauso belaechelt wie du mich und keinerweise in der Art "beleidigt" wie du es hier schreibst. Ich kann mich ebenso lustig ueber seine Meinung machen und der Typ ist nicht der Papst so wie du hier reagierst. Toleriert habe ich sie die Meinung aber ich lache halt drueber.


    Was war da primitiv ??? ....
    ""Ordentlich gefuehrte Diskussion", wer bestimmt die eigentlich und wer entscheidet ob die "ordentlich" ist.
    Du etwa ??? , who are you ???, bist du der Sprecher und Abgesandte der Banker und Analysten ?


    Weisst du was ich mit seinen Prognosen im Moment nun mache ?


    Ich kaufe mir im Moment 8 Dollar Silber Calls mit Laufzeit Dez. 2006 :D
    Ich versuche diese negativen ""Analysten"" zu schlagen, aber mit ihren eigenen Waffen.


    Weisst du, das ganze geht mir jetzt auf den Geist, diskutiere mal alleine weiter mit wen auch immer. Du hast ja immer was zum zitieren und zu meckern, egal was man schreibt.



    Servus


    XEX

    Auch Taenzer brauchen eine Pause, wenn ich mir nun RANGE anschau dann juckt es mich in den Fingern. Ich sah gestern das die heftig abgeschmiert sind und habe bis jetzt keine bad news gefunden.
    Wisst ihr warum die so gefallen ist ??


    Hole mir jetzt auf alle Faelle einige 8 Dollar Silber Calls mit Laufzeit Dezember 2006. :D


    I like to beat those thugs at Comex.


    XEX

    Zitat

    Original von ghost_god
    Eldorado,


    Dir zu liebe wiederhole ich mich gern noch ein zehntes mal: Ich bin ebenso bullish fuer Gold & Silberpreise. Deshalb verfalle ich aber nicht in die Naivitaet, alles zu glauben, was vermeindlich hoehere Goldpreise implizierte. Ich bevorzuge (vielleicht im Gegensatz zu Dir) ein wenig mehr zu differenzieren...


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    @ Ghost_God


    Mir macht es den Eindruck du differenzierst so viel das Du dich selber dabei verrueckt machst als sogenannter Gold und Silverbull.
    Auf der einen Seite bist du bullish auf der anderen Seite schreibst du das die Shortpositionen und Verschwoerungstheorien ein Schwachsinn ist. Alleine von meinen Gefuehl her ueber 10 Jahre sind Gold und Silber wie die anderen Maerkte schlicht und klar manipuliert fuer einen bestimmten Grund.Typen wie Ferdinand Lips, GATA etc, muessen ja Vollidioten fuer dich sein so wie du mir manchmal vorkommst.


    Das schoene ist das Gold vom Westen in den Osten geht und von dort kommt es nicht mehr zurueck.
    Die Amis haben bis jetzt noch kein Gold von Fort Knox verkauft so weit ich weiss, ja warum denn ? :D Weil sie die Drahtzieher sind und von Comex und ihren Toechtern JPM etc der Federal Reserve genau das machen was Greenspan ihnen sagt. Die versuchen doch alles das man im Dollar bleibt und keine Stampede mit Gold entsteht. Gordon Brown von BOE ist auch so einen den man besser koepfen sollte fuer die Verluste beim Goldverkauf von England der letzten Jahre.Ihr hattet den Presidenten der Bundesbank Ernst Welteke der aber gehen musste weil die teuren Hotels in Berlin immer von jemanden bezahlt wurden fuer sein Geschwafel gegen Gold. Da kann man die Uhr danach stellen wenn Gold zu schnell steigt dann kommt sofort wieder ein Woof Woof um Horror gegen Gold zu verbreiten wie die IMF zu Beispiel.Da wurde so viel geleased und verkauft das man nun die Toechter wie JPM natuerlich schuetzen muss vor einen Deriviaten Bankrot. Lustig ist immer die 6 Dollar rule die sie bekommen um Gold zu haemmern, da haun sie rein mit Verkauefen bis zum umfallen. Sag mal siehst du das nicht ???


    Wir haben momentan den Krieg ums Oil, spaeter kommt der Krieg ums Gold wenn Papiergeld wertlos wird.


    Recht schoen und gut,ich glaube auch nicht alles was du mir hier erzaehlst und lasse Dir deinen Glauben. Ich lese auch verschiedene Meinungen was nun hoehere Goldpreise impliziert oder nicht und unterlasse besser hier nun alle zu ueberzeugen wie du es versuchst mit deinen Argumenten und sogenannten Beweisen.


    Ist ja in Ordnung zu diskutieren und pro und contra in diesen Forum zu besprechen, aber man sollte da auch fuer andere Meinungen eine Toleranz zeigen wenn man es nicht akzeptiert und auf ein anderes Thema mal umschwenken als daran staendig rumzuhaemmern.


    Wir koennen hier reden, rumstreiten oder diskutieren bis zum umfallen aber deswegen geht der Gold und Silberpreis auch nicht hoeher.
    Da koennen wir ebenso fuer Jahre ueber Politik und Wirtschaft diskutieren dort kommen wir auch auf keinen gruenen Zweig.


    Mehr kann ich Dir ueber das Thema nichts mehr sagen und ich wiederhole mich bestimmt kein zweites mal da mir die Lust und Zeit fehlt.


    Was mich angeht ist das Thema abgeschlossen aber du kannst gerne weiter diskutieren bis du ebenfalls davon muede wirst.



    Mfg


    Eldorado

    Well, Ghost_God, here you have one you can argue as well and proof you got the clue.
    ..I'm sure you'll know better :D


    Orlandi


    As to our future direction, I have no doubt that we are headed onward and upward. How high? I would say to a minimum of US $1,650/ounce and maybe as high as US $3,000/ounce. When? My best guess would be by the year 2009, maybe sooner. It all depends on how fast things start to unravel. For those of you who are more short-term oriented, I will tell you that I think that gold will make a new high for this move up sometime this year and, in all likelihood, trade as high as $492.00 by Christmas. What's more, anything beyond three consecutive closes above $518.00 would mean that I am wrong about 2009 and the wheels are coming off much sooner than I anticipated. How do I come up with the US $492.00 figure?



    http://www.321gold.com/editori…dini/orlandini081505.html

    Looks like its the same to convert a radical Muslim into a Christian which is a waste of time, guys.


    For one its white for the other one its black.


    The future will show which color it really was.


    Anyway ,who gives a damn, as long you know what is right and what is wrong. Its your money , your decision, your life not mine.


    There a so many who are Ding Dong and think they are definately not wrong. The Analysts, the Gurus, the Bankers, the Goldbugs, the Fundmanagers, etc. etc. keep on guessing, predict the future and think they got the facts.


    But in life you must expect the unexpected because its full of surprises.


    We went through that pro and contra here in this thread, now its going through the motions again. Nothing has changed, the same guys who even argue with Gata's evidence and point of view that the Gold and Silver Market is not rigged.
    The thugs who do it will pay the price,thats all I know and don't ask me when.Gods mills work slowly but surely.


    Anyway, it makes me tired to take a horse to the water and make it drink.


    I don't know about you ?


    Gold ??..... either you got it or you don't, that's it !


    Cheers guys, take care, everything gone be alright ;)


    Ther days of reckoning will come and many will get their wake up calls.


    XEX