DRDGold Ltd. / DRD (NYSE, JNB) und die Derivate
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Sollte DRD tatsächlich Tiefminen in die Insolvenz schicken,
ist das die "innere Kündigung" gegenüber RSA.
Goldfields ist schon durch die Drehtür.
Bleibt Harmony.
RSA wird ein black empowerment Vandalenstaat
mit nur tribal gebremsten "Recht des Stärkeren".
Sowas ist robust und wirtschaftlich effektiv.
Es kann sich gegenüber dem noch brutaleren
aber dies verdunkelnden Westen behaupten
Deshalb: Harmony ist ein feines asset
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Eldorado,
nehmen wir mal an, DRD zieht sich aus RSA zurück.
Dann sind nicht mehr allzu viele da, die das Erbe antreten können.
Mit Sicherheit kommen Papa- und BabyDoc sofort ins Spiel.
Was aber für DRD-Aktionäre näher liegt:
Sind die Pazifischen (Papua Neuguinea, Fidschij usw.)
GM wirklich so werthaltig und dauerhaft?
Das glaub´ich nicht. Und muß man dort nicht annehmen,
daß DRD bei der ersten Krise nach dem Modell "verbrannte
Erde" handelt?
Sollte DRD die Tiefminen in die Insolvenz "entlassen"
wird das für mich ein kurzfristiges (6 Monate) Ausstiegssignal sein.
grussgogh
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Johannesburg - The rand remained weak against major currencies in noon trade on Wednesday, after the US Federal Open Market Committee's announcement on interest rates overnight sparked a sell-off in emerging market high yielding currencies.
General dollar strength added to the local unit's woes.At 11:34, the rand was quoted at R6.2313 per dollar from an overnight close of R6.2176 on Tuesday and R6.1151 on Monday. It was quoted at R8.1104 to the euro from a previous R7.9231 and at R11.7190 against the pound from Tuesday's R11.7340.
The euro was quoted at $1.3038 from $1.3083 late on Tuesday and $1.3157 late on Monday, while gold was quoted at $427.15 a troy ounce from a previous $427.05/oz.
"Emerging markets have been sold off across the board, primarily because of the US rates decision yesterday," a currency trader said.
He added that US Treasurys had also weakened overnight.
The dollar was also showing widespread strength and there was reasonable dollar buying from offshore.
"I'm expecting R6.28 to hold in the short term, but in the medium term the rand is looking iffy," the trader concluded.
The rand broke above R6.00 per dollar for the first time since February 17 last Tuesday after a sell off in US Treasurys sparked a move out of emerging market high yielding currencies.
Should higher inflation in the US lead to more aggressive rate increases there, this would narrow the interest rate differential and further erode the carry trade that involves borrowing in low yielding currencies and investing in high yielders.
AFX reports that the dollar was steady against major currencies after gaining overnight after the FOMC warned of inflationary pressures in the statement accompanying its decision to hike interest rates.
As expected, the FOMC raised the Fed Funds rate to 2.75%. Though it continued to say that it would continue to raise the cost of borrowing at a pace that is "measured", it warned of increasing pressure on prices, which was interpreted as giving a more hawkish tone.
The US currency is likely to remain steady ahead of US inflation figures due out on Wednesday afternoon, when it could get a further boost if they confirm the inflationary pressures on the US economy mentioned by the FOMC.
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Hey, check out Droopy, die ziagt heit wiedar !
Weils so a Ackergaul is ! , jetzt fir an dollar
An dollar sollter scho koasten !
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A KEBBLE INTERVIEW : AL KEBBLONE
What does he think about DRD ??
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Mein Englisch ... shit.
Wie auch immer: Der Mark Wellesley-Wood scheint ein harter Brocken zu sein.
Jemand, der den Kebbles 38 Mio Rand aus der Tasche zieht,
verschafft sich Respekt.
Mein Sohn würde sagen: Eiskalt ..Die Minenschließung ist nur eine Frage der richtigen Argumentation.
Da kommen diese Erdbeben gerade recht.
Glück auf.Das wird die anderen SA-Minenarbeitern von DRD zusätzlich motivieren.
So ähnlich wie in Deutschland, wo Leute mittlerweile anscheinend überhaupt nicht mehr krank werden.Übrigens: Man muß nicht nur auf den Tiefstkurs schielen. DRD ist immer noch ein Superschnäppchen.
Ich bin jetzt bei genau 427.294 gelandet.
Ich könnte also noch 22.706 dazukaufen um auf eine glatte Zahl zu kommen.GO
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Ich habe gerade nochmal nachgeguckt:
Demjenigen, der mir gestern morgen 20.000 zu 0,68 € verkauft hat:
Herzlichen Glückwunsch und vielen Dank.
Lange nicht so gelacht.
Ist ja fast wie bei EBAY.20% an einem Tag hat man nicht oft.
GO
PS.: Sog. Doppelposting.
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@dempf
Man soll den tag nicht vor dem abend loben.
Ebenso sollte man eigentlich nicht schreiben wie viel man hat.
Ja, du hast mehr als ich :D, ca. 77294 ohne den neuer kauf den du im auge hast.Ho, Ho, Ho, langsam, langsam, mit dem Pferd ! 8o...what goes up can come down !
STRYEStilfontein - Cautionary AnnouncementSTILFONTEIN GOLD MINING COMPANY LIMITED(Incorporated in the Republic of South Africa)(Registration number 1949/033412/06)ISIN NO: ZAE000007118 SHARE CODE: STI("the Company")CAUTIONARY ANNOUNCEMENTThe Company carries out pumping operations on behalf of Hartebeesfontein GoldMine, a division of Buffelsfontein Gold Mine Limited, which is a subsidiary ofDRD Gold Limited (DRD North West Operations). Recent press and SENSannouncements have stated that these operations have been placed underprovisional liquidation.Shareholders are advised that the full impact of the abovementioned action iscurrently being determined and may have a material effect on the price of thecompany"s securities. Accordingly shareholders are advised to exercise cautionwhen dealing in the company"s securities until a full announcement is made.Johannesburg24 March 2005SponsorSasfin Corporate FinanceA division of Sasfin Bank LimitedDate: 24/03/2005 09:00:04 AM Produced by the JSE SENS Department
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@dempf
Ich lache nicht wenn meine DRD abfallen, neider oder zyniker gibt es ueberall.
Keep a low profile 8), its better... the tallest trees catch most of the wind !
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Das Kebble Interview soll im wortlaut hier zum späteren Nachlesen
verwewigt werden (ewig dauert max. 6 Monate)
aus MINEWEB vom 23.03.05
Brett Kebble, chief executive JCI
Alec Hogg
'23-MAR-05 09:15'MINEWEB: Time to speak to Brett Kebble now, on the other big story of the day – the provisional liquidation of Durban Deep’s North West mine. I’m sure Brett’s got a lot to say about it, but before we quiz him, Gareth Tredway, give us some background.
GARETH TREDWAY: We had a busy day today in the mining. DRD Gold today said it would be liquidating its North West operation – the division made up of the Harties and Buffels mines contributes about a third to group production. But in the last half year it made a loss of about R7,000 per kilogram on this gold.
MINEWEB: That works out to nearly R300m?
GARETH TREDWAY: Yes, they said they’re losing about R20m a month at the moment. Earthquakes and underground tremors have added to the problems. One shaft was actually totally destroyed by the seismic events a few weeks ago, plus unfortunately there were some mine deaths there as well. It seems that again the 6,500 employees will be the biggest losers. While they will receive this month’s salary, the accrued benefits will fall under the liquidator’s discretion.
MINEWEB: Why have they done it now, Gareth, why not six months ago, nine months ago, 12 months ago? Unfortunately DRD were not prepared to come on the programme this evening, so we can’t ask them that question directly – but from the interactions that you have with these people?
GARETH TREDWAY: Well, again, to close a mine and then reopen it is quite expensive. So I think they were just waiting maybe for a better rand and so on, the currency to turn. And everybody said it would and it never did. So this is the first casualty and there could be some more – Harmony are also struggling at the moment with some of their marginal mines.
MINEWEB: A warm welcome to BRETT KEBBLE:. Brett, I remember back, pshew, it must be nearly 15 years ago, that Buffels had a similar problem. They had a thing called the Lucas Block. They opened it. There was supposed to be gold there. There wasn’t gold there, and it cost Gencor an enormous amount of money at the time. Is this a continuation, or might there still be hope for Buffels at some point?
BRETT KEBBLE: Well, Lucas Block – of course that was the Three Shaft, I think Buffels Three Shaft if I remember correctly, Alec – the Three Shaft was a very deep shaft, which was sunk in very seismic conditions. And there was gold, but it was very faulted, good grades, but very faulted. And when Durban Deep, or Randgold at that stage, in fact, bought Buffels from Gencor, it was decided that we would create these divisions within the group, and Buffels went into DRD. It was considered to be a difficult mine, but nevertheless one that survived on good grade, and having some areas to work in. This whole thing today has got nothing to do with anything other than trying to work with labour, to see what potential you can unlock in a relationship with them, because the ore bodies are the ore bodies. Every year you mine the ore out of the ground, and after that it’s gone. It’s a wasting asset. So if you can’t work out a deal with your people to everyone’s satisfaction, then the thing will fold. Now we don’t know how much ground is left at Buffels, we don’t know how much ground is left at Harties. But at least the one thing that is possible is to go and have a look and see then whether you can re-impose the type of relationship that you had with labour roughly 11 years ago, when the same marginal mines that we are talking about today first started to close. And of course then everyone said two or three years. We’re 11 years later, and we’re still looking at the same problem, and I think it’s worth another crack.
MINEWEB: Doesn’t that suggest one of two things – suggest that the mine is 11 years older and they’ve taken a lot more gold out, or, secondly, if you don’t know what is in there, that maybe the reporting that has come through from DRD has really not been up to scratch?
BRETT KEBBLE: Look, I think it’s very difficult as time goes by. This mining seems very easy when you’ve got a weak rand environment, because your revenues are high and you can just give labour an annual increase. Of course, it seems a very easy business to be in. Of course, when the revenues decrease, either because you’ve got a fall in dollar gold price, or a rand which is a lot stronger, then you have to find different ways to unlock the value. And I think that reporting when morale is low, when morale is down, becomes a problem. And the natural instinct for anyone in that situation is to go for higher grade blocks, do things, cut corners, create an unsafe working environment. This happens all over the place, and I don’t think that it’s something which is unique to Durban Deep.
MINEWEB: All right. You are keen on the asset, or at least to have a look at it. If you find that there is enough gold in there to make a go of it, how would you address it – differently to the way that it’s been addressed at the moment?
BRETT KEBBLE: I think the first thing is that the whole thing needs to be looked at as a whole. And, in this sense, and when I say “a whole”, I don’t mean a hole in the ground. Firstly, I’m not the right person to speak about the technical side of this, because if there were any proposal to be made, it would be made by the company which Roger is now driving as a mining company, Simmer & Jack Mines. What would happen is that they would have to try and assemble the best team possible in the industry to drive a turnaround on those assets, and that would include all of the South African assets. I don’t think it helps to go and try and bid for assets which are essentially in liquidation, and where the relationship with labour has fallen apart completely, only to be followed two months later by another set of assets which then have to go into liquidation as well.
MINEWEB: With respect, the Durban Deep guys appear to have put these bad assets into liquidation and held on to the ones where they are making money. How are you going to twist their arms into putting goods ones in along with the bad?
BRETT KEBBLE: I think the good assets become bad very quickly, because it’s all a question of morale. And when people see that labour gets handled in a certain way on one suite of assets, they become nervous about how they may be handled in a set of assets which today might be classed a profitable, but which tomorrow will become immensely unprofitable. So it’s got to be an overall thing. This is a social issue. When you get involved in mining, in this type of mining, you need two things. You need to have a social commitment, number one. Number two, you need to be able to have people who can implement short-interval control-management systems, which will ensure that you get the assets working as efficiently as possible.
MINEWEB: Your father, Roger, is getting on. He’s in his sixties now. Does he have the energy still to make a go of what looks like a really tough job? I mean, 10, 11 years ago, you could understand.
BRETT KEBBLE: Roger is stronger than a curried buffalo. He’s strong. He’s still got it in him. And you know I think the thing with him is that his commitment to it then is matched by his commitment to it now. He gets involved, he’s prepared to go down to the mines, he’s prepared to talk to the people, motivate them. That is the man’s strength. He will get up in the morning, and the first call he will make is to the plant manager to find out how things are going, then he will speak to the section manager. He likes that kind of operation. And you’ve got to hand it to him – the thing that turned those mines around 11 years ago. Without him, there wouldn’t be operators in the industry today, like Swanepoel, for instance, who was brought in from Gencor to run Harmony. They are all motivated by him.
MINEWEB: Has he been a disappointment, Bernard Swanepoel, to Roger?
BRETT KEBBLE: I think people’s characters are separate from their operating capabilities. I think Roger always knew that Bernard was the sort of guy who had good operating characteristics. We don’t always know the nature of the beast – from another perspective. But certainly a very successful operator in implementing the sorts of changes that were necessary in the mining industry at the time.
MINEWEB: Brett, what’s your next move, and when can we expect it?
BRETT KEBBLE: The next move will not be made by us. What I’m doing is I’m withholding any of the legal actions that we have against Durban Deep to encourage a spirit of reconciliation, so that everyone can sit around the table and try and find a way through this, so that we can stop references to labour having to negotiate with liquidators, and rather have a situation where we can get Durban Deep to confront the situation that is at hand. And the next move will come from Simmer & Jack, and maybe others in the industry. Who knows? There maybe other people who are willing to help to put together a team that can move in, and at least make the best of an extremely bad situation.
MINEWEB: I see, according to the Sunday Times, that Mark Wellesley-Wood was a prop in his time. I guess your brother Guy was a well-known prop. Are the two of them going to scrum down, and maybe find the right solution here?
BRETT KEBBLE: Well, let me tell you, when I was 16 and my brother was 14, I gave up trying to scrum against him – and I don’t think I feel quite the same thing about Mark. Look, I think the time for the mud-slinging is over. When you consider the fact that there are 15,000 people whose jobs are at stake, and you’ve got communities being where they are, what I would rather do right now is embrace the problem and put the personal things aside.
MINEWEB: Brett Kebble, chief executive of JCI. Maybe the hatchet has been buried, and not in Mark Wellesley-Wood’s head.
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Irgenwann verkaufe ich und manchmal bin ich auch ganz bescheiden,
aber das richtige Geld verdient man als Privatanleger mit dem Arsch, indem man auf den Aktien sitzt.In 2000/2001/2002 habe ich im Prinzip alles verkauft. Dicker Profit.
Jetzt bin bin wieder dabei und habe wieder viel Zeit ...Übrigens auch mit meinen AD (Altdeutschland) Briefmarken, die ich
nach wie vor zu Lachgpreisen bei EBAY abstaube.Kurzfristiger Profit nervt.
Keine Strategie, nur Gedaddel.GO
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@dempf
Glueck gehabt, aber nicht zu lange darauf sitzen sonst kann es in den arsch gehen.
Bei Briefmarken kann man es vielleicht.@ gogh
Der Kebble ist schon ein sack,er spricht meistens mit gespaltener zunge und mit grosser nase als jew boy.
Lassen wir uns ueberraschen, in wenigen wochen sieht man mehr.
have a nice day
XEX
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Habe gerade 10.000 zu 0,79 geordert.
Teilausführung 3.450 ...Mich würde mal interessieren, ob Siegel seine DRD schon zurückgekauft hat.
Das ist eben der Mist bei dem hektischen Rein und Raus.
Kostet nur Nerven und meistens auch Geld.GO
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