Beiträge von bognair

    Auszüge aus Ferdinand Lips` "DIE GOLD-VERSCHWÖRUNG"



    [SIZE=16]»Es ist eine interessante historische Fußnote, daß der Privatbesitz an Gold von Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, Mao Tse Tung und Franklin Delano Roosevelt verboten wurde. Die Präsidenten Kennedy und Johnson sagten, Gold sei zur Deckung der US-Währung nicht notwendig und sollte demonetisiert werden, weil sie verstanden, daß Gold eine Bremse an der Notendruckpresse ist.«
    James Dines, The Invisible Crash, S. 86

    seit der Tech-Bubble gibts "BUBBLE-PANICS" everywhere!


    sogar Goldinvestoren denken dass der phys.Goldpreis in einer "BLASE" stecken könnte! Gold is aba kein PAPIER sondern was zum anfassen und HABEN. gold kann getrieben werden im preis und euphorische nachfrage treibt den preis in luftige höhen und oben verkaufen wieder viele aus spekulation und sonstwas. dies ist aber keine BLASE. aber will über dieses thema nicht reden.


    Wallenwein hat ne interessante Auffassung was dieser Goldmarkt derzeit macht:


    Bullenmarkt? Aufwärtstrend? hmmm... ja eigentlich schon! aber wie wärs mit der beschreibung "ADJUSTMENT-PERIOD"


    und so denk ich auch: als erstes sind wir in adjustment-period bis 853
    dann BULLENMARKT/Aufwärtstrend ... oder nicht... oder konsolidierung=entscheidungs-dreieck wohin: Up or down


    The Gospel of Higher Gold


    by Alex Wallenwein, Editor & Publisher


    March 4, 2004


    Gold investors still get depressed on days like today, Tuesday March 2, 2004, when the dollar suddenly jumps and gold goes skiing. But they shouldn't.


    Gold is not just in a primary bull market. Bull markets are always followed by bear markets, and vice versa. Instead, gold is in a permanent adjustment period - and it adjusting upwards.


    Naturally, when I say "gold" is in an adjustment period, it is not really gold but fiat that is being adjusted, namely: downward.


    After the horrendous carnage of the nineties, when gold investors' hoped-for profits were systematically blocked and eaten up, we are all still shell-shocked. Everyone is still in flight- mode at the earliest sign of any short-term price reversals. That's just human psychology - but it's very, very costly.


    Investor psychology never changes. Even though gold investors have the advantage of being able to see behind the shenanigans of the paper-world, human emotions are what they are, and they usually lead our decisions. Rationalizations mostly come after the fact.


    But this is a crucial time in human history, especially in the history of the gold market. Well, this needs correction again: there's nothing new in the history of the gold market. The huge changes we are witnessing are happening in the fiat system. Gold is just there, providing refuge, a safe-harbor for all those who know enough to seek it. Paper is what's fluttering all around us in the winds of the market.


    However, it's easier to make a point by speaking the same language everyone else is speaking, so we'll continue as if things were happening to gold instead of paper.


    What's happening to gold, then?


    For once, it looks like we are witnessing the first trading days where the almost perfect correlation between gold and the dollar appears to be breaking up. Just look at these two Kitco mini-charts from today:

    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.a1-guide-to-gold-in…com/images/euro%203-2.gif] ...................... [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.a1-guide-to-gold-in…com/images/gold%203-2.gif]


    One thing is immediately apparent: Gold started its downhill run way before the dollar even began to think about kicking up its heels. Gold, after being very stable during London trading hours at $400.00 immediately turned down upon the New York open and bottomed out at 12 pm EST.


    The dollar, however, did not pick up until two full hours later, near 10 am, and it gained two full cents on the day, also ending its run at 12 pm.


    Yesterday, March 1, 2004, gold saw an immediate rise from the open til nine o'clock, where it soon faltered and dropped all the way back down to its starting price near $398, had some more ups and downs and closed slightly up about one dollar. The dollar, on the other hand, while dipping during the time gold went up, then rebounded and closed slightly higher than it started, closing near the day's high.


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.a1-guide-to-gold-in…m/images/EU-USD%203-1.gif] ........................... [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.a1-guide-to-gold-in…com/images/GOLD%203-1.gif]


    So, yesterday was an example of both the dollar and gold rising in tandem, in absolute terms. A very odd occurrence, given these two benchmarks' almost perfectly inverse relationship during the last six months or so.


    The same thing was once true (especially during the late nineties) about gold and the Dow, or stocks in general. We all know that this former correlation in now a total relic. Gold and stocks have been moving up side by side since about August/September of last year, and have moved sideways together since early February. (See: Gold is Breaking Free.)


    Two days do not a trend make - yet, but what these two days are indicating is likely to turn into a trend, just like the last time in September 2003. Not that the dollar and gold will be moving up together for any length of time, but that the vise grip the dollar recently seemed to have on gold is getting looser and looser.


    So, how does that indicate "higher gold?" It doesn't. It's just a noteworthy observation.


    What does point to perpetually higher gold in the medium to long term is the fact that both the dollar and the US economy as the world's "engine of economic growth" are essentially finished. There is literally no way out. This doesn't mean there will be a sudden, catastrophic crash, although there could be. It means both are on a long, long downward path that has no escape.


    Long Term Rates: The Economy's Damocles' Sword


    The crazy thing is that there is a similar lack of correlation between the dollar and the US economy. In the nineties, a strong dollar was a prerequisite for keeping the stock racket going. Foreign investor's assets had to be lured to the US to perpetuate the over-exuberant stock bull. A weaker dollar would have made foreigners looking for returns on their money look elsewhere.


    Now, foreigners are buying US assets - mainly treasuries - because the dollar is sinking. Go figure.


    This is because the nineties have brought us the Asian "tigers" whose fortunes now depend on attracting US consumers to buy their goods. As the dollar falls, they must keep their own currencies lower so as not to lose profitability by making their goods too expensive for Americans to buy. So they print their own currencies and buy dollars to pay for US treasuries. That's why treasury yields have stabilized.


    One can say that, in the past, Asian exporters were buying dollars because they wanted to: They were being lured into it by an artificially strong dollar. Now, they are forced to buy dollars: to keep their own currencies low in order to maintain export price competitiveness. A very dangerous game, indeed.


    For the time being, Greenspan and Bush (GreenBush) are smiling an uneasy smile upon the dollar's misfortunes. The name of the game is to give US exporters some welcome relief from high dollar values which destroy export viability - all in a desperate attempt at rekindling US job creation.


    But it doesn't matter which way they turn. The specter of rising long term interest rates is blocking every single way that could lead the dollar and the economy out of this dilemma - except for the way down.


    The reason is the cash-strapped, totally over-extended US consumer. Consumers are up to their necks in mortgage re-fi and other debt. Much of that is extremely interest rate sensitive because many of them were suckered into buying ARMs. As long term rates rise, their debt-servicing bills get bigger. Way bigger. And job creation is still just limping along, so where is the cash gonna come from?


    If consumers are forced to stop spending because they have too much interest to pay, the economy will go the way of all things finite. Either they stop spending to keep their homes, or they default and credit starts drying up and the housing market will collapse. If they default, they still have to pay rent somewhere, so much of the "freed up" cash is still not going to go into consumption of goods and services. Result: The economy tanks.


    So, why would rates have to rise?


    Let's assume the dollar were to rise from here on. What would happen?


    Maybe this Friday's jobs report will be a glowing one. If so, stocks will certainly get a huge boost, and so will the dollar. A rising dollar takes an enormous load off the exporters' shoulders. They no longer need to buy treasuries to keep their currencies down. That reduces demand for treasuries, puts downward pressure on their prices and upward pressure on their yields - which happen to determine long term interest rates.


    China is the biggest and baddest of all the Asian exporters. In a very real way, the ChiComs are carrying in their collective hands the key to the utter destruction of the already teetering, artificially brought back to life and unnaturally juiced-up US "Frankenstein" economy. And they can do it by blowing us kisses and wishing us well, claiming to do just what we asked them to do.


    How is that?


    All they have to do is accede to US demands to let their currency float, or at least loosen the US treasury bands by which they have tied it to the dollar. If China gives the yuan a wider band in which to move, say 2 to 5 percent from its current target, and then gradually gives it more reign as time goes on, they will likewise have to buy less treasuries to keep their currency pegged to a falling dollar. Not only that, in doing so they are even complying with WTO mandates ahead of their five-year deadline from the date of joining.


    On top of that, a rising dollar, aside from choking off export demand for US goods, will free the Asians up to do what? Buy euros - which will push the dollar down again - anyway.


    On the other hand, let's assume that neither the dollar will rise significantly nor that the Asians start buying less treasury debt. Let's assume all of that stays fixed and the US economy starts adding jobs and steam, people here are better able to pay their bills without going further into debt, and the stock market has another giant leg up. What would happen?


    Stocks and bonds have an inverse relationship. When stocks boom, money flows out of the bond market and into stocks, driving up yields and therefore - interest rates. Can't win for losing anymore.


    Now comes the US budget deficit. The deficit is funded by the US selling treasuries. We are seeing record deficits, so we need to sell record treasuries. But if the Asians don't want to buy anymore, we have a glut that will drive yields up again.


    Is there any way out?


    Maybe if the Fed keeps printing money to buy up all of that treasury debt slack, like Greenspan has already threatened. Can we make it that way?


    No. Sorry. That will give us a dollar glut to add to the already existing dollar glut from international central banks unloading their dollar reserves in favor of euros. It will drive prices up - and the dollar down.


    Add to all of that the fact that OPEC may, at some point, consider it necessary to "go euro," and you have a recipe for a guaranteed dollar disaster. The only question is: how long will it take? That it will indeed happen is a forgone conclusion. It will likely not be a sudden shift. There will be currency "baskets" first to lessen the blow to the dollar, but eventually the dollar will be sitting in its very own basket - a handbasket with a predestined route.


    And then there are a number of other points that have already been discussed at length, and so will only be listed in key point format:


    The current account gap has widened, not narrowed, in December, during the time of the dollar's steepest fall. Reason: The Asian exporters, as discussed above.


    Worldwide "diversification" of central bank reserves into euro.


    China's liberalization of private gold holdings.


    The Islamic gold dinar movement.


    Contracting world-wide mine output.


    Lack of new reserve deposit discoveries and new production technologies.


    Asians beginning to suffer significant inflationary symptoms due to over-printing of their home currencies to buy US treasuries.


    Central bank gold reserves worldwide are likely at historic lows due to past "gold control" efforts


    And then there is one last important point. In 1980, when gold went to $850, Paul Volcker was able to raise interest rates sky-high to attract funds back to the dollar. This time around that is not possible for reasons already discussed.

    All of that means gold will go "higher."


    This is a long, drawn out process, if we are lucky. Americans would do well to start recognizing that fact - and prepare!


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    @ thunderbirdy & alle Experten :(
    warum funktioniert das nich:
    [/IMG]http://www.a1-guide-to-gold-in…com/images/gold%203-2.gif[IMG]

    jetz alle auf einmal odr wat!? ;=))


    Goldjunge
    danke trotzdem für den Tip -auf sowas muss man erstma kommen... vor lauter bäumen("charts") den wald("html-trick") nicht mehr sehn...
    das liegt wohl aber hoffentlich nicht an den vielen charts!
    soviele charts sind es jetz doch auch nicht odr!? und wenn dann doch nur in ein paar einzelnen threads... deswegen bin ich ja auch nur in 2-4 threads drin... für goldseiten gibts keine artikel mehr - zu unprofessionell - und: genau wie bei dir: kein interesse!
    kein vorwurf!!! is nicht jedermanns welt! fundamental steigts doch eh, also wohin sonst spezialisieren?


    Thunderbirdy
    gut dass du wieder da bist - konnte die frage nämlich-dämlich nicht beantworten... :baby:

    The timely investments


    circa Nov 2003, updated 3/05/2004


    For most investors, this is one of the most difficult and confusing time in recent memory, as the arguments continue on all sides....


    - we are in a bear market
    - we are in the beginning of a bull market
    - interest rates have bottomed
    - bonds have peaked
    - inflation will return
    - deflation will ravage America
    - gold is going to $1000
    - gold is going to $200


    There are more, but you get the picture.
    Who is right, and who is wrong?


    We can spend days reading different opinions and forecasts, but what are the facts? Without bias, I want to show you in these charts what the best investments are and until the trends change, we are better off staying with these trends. Short term traders can always rotate in and out of these sectors, but for the investing public who are not nimble, you can still time the markets by observing the relationship between interest rates, growth stocks, and mining stocks. Once their relative performance is identified, you can make a sound decision as to whether you want a diversified portfolio with all three sectors equally weighted, or a heavier weighting towards the better performing sector, or 100% into the top sector for maximum growth and return. One needs not to be a financial expert to chart their own success, and listening to opinions won't get you there.


    The first chart is the relationship between bonds and growth stocks. It is obvious that bonds have outperformed growth stocks since 2000, and the trend is intact despite the massive sell off in bonds during 2003 while growth stocks rallied. Many experts are forecasting higher interest rates and a stronger economy, therefore making bonds a poor investment going forward....Really? Not according to the chart.


    Chart1


    This chart is the spread ratio between long bonds and the SP500. During the mighty bull market of the 90’s, growth stocks out performed bonds by miles, but that major trend changed in 2000, when the bubble bursted and bonds out performed growth stocks 3 years in a row. 2003 was a mighty year for stocks as nothing goes straight up or down. But, look what is happening now? Bonds have corrected and pulled back to trend line and just turned up for a buy signal, therefore, suggesting bonds will once again be a better choice than growth stocks in 2004. With rates already this low, the possibility of bonds out performing growth stocks can only be the result of stocks depreciating quicker than bonds appreciating, scary thought……


    Here's chart #2, showing the relationship between mining stocks and growth stocks. Its also obvious that mining stocks have outperformed growth stocks for 3 straight years now, and the trend is solid.


    chart 2


    No doubt, the 90’s belonged to growth stocks, and mining stocks were falling into oblivion as the above chart clearly shows. Mining stocks began to rally in 2001 while growth stocks were in a bear market, and in late 2001 I began trading gold stocks after noticing the uptrends developing in the mining sector. Gold was around $275. The first blue arrow marks that first pivot low which later becomes the new up trend in the mining sector. And what is so special about my buy signal today on gold stocks? It came right on trend line support (2nd blue arrow) from the correction which started in Dec. If current support holds, this is the second major buying opportunity on gold stocks since this new bull market began. Therefore, today’s buy signal could be a start of another impulsive phase…..


    So, both bonds and mining stocks are outperforming growth stocks, next chart we shall see the relationship between mining stocks and bonds...


    chart 3


    And the winner is: mining stocks.


    Nobody knows how long these major trends last, but ignoring them can be harmful for your fiscal fitness. But then again, my mentor Bernie Schaeffer has constantly reminded me the four stages of a bull market:


    Stage 1 – disbelief --> je länger desto be$$er!!!!
    In a new bull market, most folks ignore it because they don’t believe that the bear market is over, therefore, shying away from it.


    [B]Stage 2 – acceptance --->
    The bull market has shown enough profits for those who know, and many others are joining the winners.

    Stage 3 – euphoria

    By now, everyone knows we have a bull market, cab drivers and bartenders are giving stock tips and many stocks are now household names.


    Stage 4 – bubble top
    During the late stage of a bull market, panic buying creeps in and price trends go parabolic. Soon, anyone who wants to buy has bought and there is not enough new buyers to sustain the frantic pace; insiders and smart money begin selling into rallies, causing the momentum to slow and eventually stop, and reverse.


    Those of us who witnessed the tech bull market can relate easily. So, where are we in this gold bull market? As long as Wall street and main street keep ignoring the gold bull, we are still in stage one.


    Mining stocks clearly have been out performing all asset class these past three years, yet a typical investment portfolio consists of 70% growth stocks, 25% bonds and 5% cash. The entire market cap for the mining sector is around 100 billion, while Microsoft alone has a market cap of 250 billion. Got gold?


    JC


    weiss IIRGENDJEMAND wie man Charts aus WORD-Dokumenten als datei ABSPEICHERN kann? Wie kann ich charts exportieren???


    CHART 1:

    Major tops and bottoms in gold and gold stocks


    12/24/2003, updated Mar5/2004


    Does the price of gold (POG) lead gold stocks or the opposite?


    If we were looking at a day to day basis, they take turns at leading and lagging as investors and traders over anticipate sometimes and under anticipate other times. However, if we look at the major tops and bottoms since I started trading and keeping track this new bull market, the answer is definitive as the following table shows….


    $HUI POG


    Bottomed last week of Nov 2001 Bottomed first week of Dec 2001 $HUI led by 1 week
    Topped first week of June 2002 Topped first of week of June 2002 Topped in the same week
    Bottomed last week of July 2002 Bottomed first week of August 2002 $HUI led by 1week
    Topped first week of Jan 2003 Topped first week of Feb 2003 $HUI led by 4 weeks
    Bottomed second week of Mar 2003 Bottomed first week of Apr 2003 $HUI led by 4 week
    Topped first week of Dec 2003 Topped first week of Jan 2004 $HUI led by 4 weeks
    Bottomed first week of Feb 2004 Bottomed first week of March 2004??? $HUI led by 4 weeks???


    - We have six confirmed major reversals so far between the $HUI and POG, with POG lagging all but one, that one being first week of June 2002 when both topped in the same week.


    - POG’s major reversals have all occurred during the first week of a month.


    - These past four major reversals all have $HUI leading POG by four weeks, once the current reversal is confirmed.



    Word of caution: As with all analysis, these are observations only, and should not be used to time a market turn. We have timing tools and they work great. Whether these patterns will continue to repeat or not, we have to wait and see. But one thing is clear: as gold stock traders, don’t look to the POG for answers, focus only on $HUI and $XAU.


    JC

    @tg
    was braucht man mehr als ne hütte am meer, gutes wetter & essen, und ne internet-verbindung? ein goldenes hobby und ZEIT, wobei zeit noch kostbarer als Gold ist, doch Gold ist bekanntlich zeitLOS - ein freund der hilft die zeit sinnvoll zu nutzen. bis es bei mir soweit is mit der hütte am silva-wassa vergehn noch 1-2jährchen, bis dahin malochen und kapital vermehren-dann gehts los. triangulartexte nur deswegen weil ich es nichzt verstehen konnte warum die stimmung in der gold-comunity so pessimistisch war! ich finds beleidigend für die gold-community trotz ihres geballten wissens so naiv zu denken und nur immer an %-denkend: GREED&FEAR hat in der gold-community nix verloren, aber nur weil diese anlegerklasse WEISS...
    es gibt 50 goldanalysten in usa und 80% nur blablabla und selbstverliebtes schreiben. now I made my call - und dass gold eh steigt is doch klar. nur: alle denken wir befinden uns in einem "normalen" bullenmarkt in dem es auch laangwierige konsolidierungen gibt, nur: gold ist radikal unterbewertet, und macht mE erst halt wenn EINIGERMASSEN faires preisniveau erreicht worden is. und der witz is eben dass gold JETZT schon bei mind.600 stehen müsste-tuts aber nicht, wir warn bei 250 und dies war FUNDAMENTAL nicht gerechtfertigt-600 wären 1999 gerechtfertigt! aber wie würde dass denn dann jetzt aussehen wenn gold 1999 bei 600 gestartet wäre!!??? von 250 auf 430 sind fast 100%! das doppelte von 600 wärn schon 1200!!! und nur so wird nachfrage befriedigt: LOGARITHMISCH. deswegen wars so wichtig genau dies zu verhindern, %-Wachstum von soo tief wie möglich anfangen und dann steigen lassen. die preisbildung bei Gold funktioniert anders als bei anderen Waren oder märkten. Gold geht nicht mehr unter 380, vielleicht mal kurz geschuppst, aber 400 sitzt!!!! eine Unze kostet nun mal heute MINDESTENS 400 dollar! aus, fix, basta, die 400 is in den köpfen drin und dient mind. als maßstab. je länger sone preismarkle getestet wird, desto sicherer kann man gehen dass sie auch in den köpfen fixiert wird. 400 wird halten - 4eva!
    das wird solange weitergehen bis 853 erreicht worden sind, dann ist ein LEVEL erreicht, von dem aus erst GESTARTET wird. bis dahin wird alles im nachhinein nur aussehn wie ein strich nach oben. ganz meine meinung. kenne keinen der gold tradet, sowas wär fatal. bei goldaktien gehts, aber nicht eine nehmen und rein+raus+rein+raus, sondern rein, warten bis dreieck ausbricht, dann entscheiden an welchem widerstand zu verkaufen, und komplett raus und woanders rein. und es gibt SOVIELE entzückende gold-babes! aber an der Börse gilt: Verliebe dich nie, und heirate erst recht nicht irgendwelche aktien.
    ..."und vor frauen hab ich,...hab ich ANGST!"
    -->ich habe ANGST vor den zukünftigen gold-investoren! deswegen würd ich mich NIE trauen eine Newmont über 10 Jahre zu halten. es ist schon jetzt beängstigend wie bei 400 schon rumgejault wird "wir sind in einer blase, bema hat über 400% gemacht - das kann doch nicht gesund sein". then get out and gimme your bemashares! thanks for the dip! I love dips!


    PMI VENTURES - gefallen mir derzeit nach Konsoldidierungsdreieck von 1 auf 0,50 gut! dreiecksspitze als unterstützung erfolgreich genommen. es geht um die 1!

    lebste an der küste? NEID macht sich breit! ;=))) regenzeit in Thailand is nicht wie in Dtl - das is der unterschied - auch wenns feucht is - lieber sone regenzeit als sowas was wir hier haben in good old GERMany...


    wieso is grad nicht ans surfn zu denken? weil Gold JETZT (endlich) steil geht und traden doch so manch zeit verschlingt??


    hübscher chart von bema - v.a. das wunderschöne 3eck!!
    I LOVE 3ecke!


    Gold ist ein einziges 3eck! ach, die GANZE BÖRSE is ein einziges 3eck...


    hier ein langer bema-chart vom freitag...
    wenn bema usm 3eck nach oben ausbrechen wird, dann wird der 5er Widerstand ruckzuck genommen und 7,50 + 10 nächste. Dann verkauf ich irgendwo, aber dat hängt vom goldpreis alles ab - obwohl kleinere juniors stärkere eigendynamik aufweisen als die vielen seniors = von vielen zittrigen händchen gehalten die ständig big-papa-gold angucken und demnach entscheiden wos langgeht. diejenigen goldinvestoren die in juniors drin sind WISSEN dass gold langfristig eh steigt und kaufen auch wenn gold runtergeht - und dann erst recht...

    kenne leider die unglaubliche Arbeitsleistung von Thaiguru ausm WO nicht, finde aber beachtlich und lobenswert wieviel Infos du uns hier reinstellst!


    Je bunter desto besser!


    Und wir lieben Charts !!! The more the merrier!


    Lass dich nicht abhalten und poste alles was du für interessant hälst. english2! auch wenn so manch einer ein DEUTSCHES Forum hier WILL.
    aber das is ja auch DEIN Thread!


    GO FOR IT !!!


    (Wie sind die Wellen in Thailand?)

    ...und man hätte es doch (auch) an diesem chart sehen können.


    es wird m.E. trotzdem einen pullback zurück zur spitze geben und vielleicht sogar hoch zur oberen roten linie. DENKE dass mal das eine metall dann wieder das andere metall steigen wird. denke dass die obere und untere begrenzungen ERSTMAL als starke unterstützung/widerstände agieren werden und Gold/Silber innerhalb dieser marken schwanken wird.


    oder silber soviel stärker an, dass die untere rote unterstützungslinie nach unten durchbrochen wird.


    wo liegt noch mal das langfristige Gleichgewichts-Verhältnis von G/S? bei 15?
    und wo lag dieses Verhältnis 1929 und insb. in Krisenzeiten? bei 100?

    MISS FAKE-BREAKOUT


    = immer wenn es einen Pullback oder FAKE Breakout gab hat es Silba NICHT geschafft nachhaltig nach OBEN zu steigen/auszubrechen...


    Seit letztem (grünen) Dreieck ist ALLES ANDERS!


    Silva hats geschafft!


    AHOI!