Beiträge von Eldorado

    Selbst wenn ihr mich auslacht, mit kommt so eine Vermutung auf.


    Was ist wenn Rockefeller/Rothshield & Friends erstmal den POG unten halten und manipulieren aber gleichzeitig Gold von meinetwegen von Spanien still und heimlich kaufen ?


    Entweder sind die so bloed diese EZ Banken aber die verkaufen immer zum falschen Zeitpunkt und Preis wie es die Vergangenheit gezeigt hat. Eine paar Wochen spaeter klettert dann der POG um teilweise 20 Dollar wieder rauf.


    Die Strohmannbank JPM hat schon mal angefangen und Gold physisch gekauft nachdem sie gesehen haben es geht nicht weiter runter.


    Das waere doch ein guter Trick an dem wenige denken.


    Wenn die Zeit reif ist dann wird es neu bewertet mit 2000 - 5000 USD pro Unze.
    Fiat Geld haben sie ja genug, es heisst nicht umsonst, der das Gold hat der herrscht am ende des Tages.


    Das Gold von den Zentralbanken geht in private Haende zum Grossteil wie wir wissen, wer sind eigentlich die Personen die so grosse Mengen kaufen ?


    Der Steuerzahler wird beschissen wenn Gold billigst auf dem Markt geschmissen wird, das Gold gehoert eigentlich jeden Buerger und nicht dem Staat.


    Vielleicht ist es die Illuminati selber die kauft, die schnappen sich die real assets vor der Finanz und Wirtschaftskrise die unweigerlich kommen wird bei der Druckerei die gemacht wird.


    Erst dann wenn sie genuegend Gold haben oder ihre Interessen erfuellt sind lassen sie den USD und DOW so richtig crashen.


    Die Freimaurer kommen danach eventuell mit einem neuen Goldstandard oder Amerodollar und lachen sich einen Ast ueber die Deppen die billig verkauft haben. Eigentlich hat man ihnen gesagt das sie Gold verkaufen sollen sonst macht der IMF Probleme.


    Manche Staaten sind dann gezwungen wieder Gold teuer einzukaufen und ihr zahlt wieder die Rechnung.


    Gruss


    Eldo


    ""Debt cannot pay off debt. A system that allows this sophistry to exist is simply creating more and more debt – debt that our sons and daughters and their sons and daughter will be servicing (paying the interest on) long into the future – never mind ever paying the debt off. :(

    The Unholy Alliance


    Hier nur ein Teil davon:



    ....A ploy is used because it promotes their particular agenda in a clandestine manner.


    Some call it deception by illusion or appearance, as things are not always as they so appear to be.


    Moreover, given the fact that monetary nationalism exists, and that there may be a resulting resurgence in such belief, neither issue, when coupled with the advent of globalization, has been shown to be the precipitating cause of financial crises or geopolitical problems.
    There is a problem with the world’s currencies – granted, but it has nothing to do with being national currencies per se. It has everything to do with the nature or composition of the currencies – the fact that they are all paper fiat debt-currencies, therein resides the flaw – the weak link.
    That they are no longer redeemable in gold and silver was the kiss of death to all the world’s national currencies, not the mere name of the nation from which they came, although this too has its part in the play.
    It is also incorrect to equate nationalism with the severing of paper money from gold backing. National currencies existed prior to the end of the gold standard. Examples are: the German Mark, the British Pound, the U.S. Dollar, the French Franc, the Austrian Ducat, and the Spanish Silver Dollar.


    When gold and silver ceased to back national currencies, a devastating loss to the value of money occurred. The purchasing power of money began to steadily decline. This is known as debasement or devaluation of a currency. It was the main cause in the devolutionary process that purposefully gave rise to paper fiat debt-money.
    But this is only part of the tale. The key to the story is the fact that currencies were at one time gold and silver coin – not backed by them – they were them.


    As you will see in the quotes from the U.S. Constitution below, the U.S. Dollar is a specific weight of silver: 371.25 grains – the Silver Dollar.
    And just who was responsible for breaking away from the hard currency of silver and gold coin, as mandated in the U.S. Constitution, and later from what came to be known as the gold standard? Was it the government or the banker’s doing?
    Who pushed for central banking – governments or the elite international bankers?
    Who wrote the U.S. Federal Reserve Act – Paul Warburg of the German international banking House of Warburg, or the U.S. government?


    Who wrote the by-laws of the International Monetary Fund, one of which disallows and prohibits any member nation from having a currency backed by gold; was it a government or a group of elite international collectivists?


    And this holds true for all the central banks around the world, all of whom were established by various elite international banking houses. Cui Bono? :D


    The last paper in our series on the New World Order, The New World Order and The Constitution of the United States, shows that the International Monetary Fund is an enabler for the continuation of the present day paper fiat system of irredeemable debt-money, as one of its by-laws states that no member of the IMF can have a gold backed currency.


    As the above referenced paper illustrates, the IMF does dictate draconian measures that financially strapped countries find austere, if not impossible to meet. We agree completely with Mr. Stiglitz when he says:
    Countries are effectively told that if they don't follow certain conditions, the capital markets or the IMF will refuse to lend them money, they are basically forced to give up part of their sovereignty.”


    After extolling the virtues of gold as a sound medium of exchange, suddenly paper fiat is tossed back upon center stage. It is difficult to apprehend the reason and motive here: is it the inability to make a definitive final decision between the two, or perhaps gold was only mentioned to make it appear that a level playing field was being offered, while the real goal had always been a trilateral regional currency system – the forerunner of a one world currency of paper fiat debt-money


    “It is only since 1971, when President Richard Nixon formally untethered the dollar from gold that monies flowing around the globe have ceased to be claims on anything real. All the world's currencies are now pure manifestations of sovereignty conjured by governments. And the vast majority of such monies are unwanted: people are unwilling to hold them as wealth, something that will buy in the future at least what it did in the past. Governments can force their citizens to hold national money by requiring its use in transactions with the state, but foreigners, who are not thus compelled, will choose not to do so.”


    How can debt be used to pay off debt? It is beyond absurd.


    The Mandrake System


    As it now stands, the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air – this is the meaning of fiat: spoken into existence. The illusion used to try to obfuscate the sinister deed is that the Treasury first issues bonds that are then sold to the Fed.


    The Fed takes newly created dollars (by writing a check for the dollars that do not exist anywhere in their own accounts in any real sense but only as computer entries) and uses them in payment for the Treasury bonds.


    The government takes the newly created fiat dollars (Fed’s check or digital computer entries) received as payment for the bonds from the Fed to the Treasury, and places (deposits) them in the U.S. general account. They are then used to pay for various services and goods the government procures.


    The vendors and workers that receive these dollars in payment from the government then take the money and deposit it into their individual commercial bank accounts.


    The commercial banks, through the miracle of fractional reserve lending, begin the process of loaning out 9 times the money deposited on reserve by the commercial customers, who received the money from the government, who in turn received it from the Fed, who in turn created it out of nothing – by simply writing a check to the Treasury.

    Now you know why Mr. Polyani and Mr. Reuff thought the scheme to be a bit far fetched and nonsensical – one that any sane, rational human being would be unable to make any sense of: cents yes – sense no. It is a most unholy alliance. X(


    Conclusion:


    No monetary system that allows the national debt to circulate as the currency has any possible chance of succeeding except in its own self-destruction.
    Inflation is inherent within its genetic makeup, forever doomed to a never-ending cycle of ever-increasing money, credit, and debt creation.
    Debt cannot pay off debt. A system that allows this sophistry to exist is simply creating more and more debt – debt that our sons and daughters and their sons and daughter will be servicing (paying the interest on) long into the future – never mind ever paying the debt off.
    Debt payment is a mathematical impossibility. The servicing of the debt is a pernicious form of prostitution, whereby the future is sold for the present – our son’s and daughter’s future, condemning them to a life of debt servitude.
    Only the elite at the top of the food chain profit by such a system of wealth transference – they who collect the interest rate stream – the moneychangers Christ turned the tables on.


    By Douglas V. Gnazzo

    In einer Hyperinflation ist das leicht moeglich Edelman.
    Der Rohstoffboom kann noch 13 jahre so weiter gehen je nach Bedarf und Nachfrage Energie wird weiter benoetigt egal wie viel Leute noch am Leben sind.
    Man sollte momentan nur auf den jetztigen Preis schauen sonst faengt man an zu traeumen und erhofft sich zu viel. :D
    Da gibt es auch andere Stimmen die sagen das Gegenteil und behaupten der Markt bekommt erstmal eine Korrektur.
    Egal was, ich lasse 6% in dem Markt und reite die Aktien weiter bis zum Tag X.


    Verstrahlt Euch nicht mit Uran. :D


    Gruss


    XEX

    ""Right now, the outcome is a gamble, but my guess is that if the Dow Jones pulls back sharply to breathe, the gold shares will get caught in the down draught. The ratios might start giving sell signals."".....


    Wer weiss, wer weiss ?.. es kann auch anders kommen, jedenfalls einen 15 % Puffer einbauen falls es so kommt.


    Kurzfristig kann es den HUI auf die 300 Punkte schlagen, das aber nur ueber Wochen. IMO


    Fuer mich ist der HUI auf den crash beim Dow z.B gut vorbereitet, ich gehe das Risiko ein.


    Schau mal die HUI vs Dow Chart und DOW vs POG an. :D


    F....the PPT !


    XEX

    SEND IN THE CLOWNS BY ALL MEANS!


    by Clif Droke
    June 1, 2007



    The bull market in stocks continues, but to hear various exponents of the bearish persuasion talk, you’d think the party was ending right now.
    At least that’s the impression I get reading some of their weekly rants on various Internet sites.


    Dr. Hussman dismisses certain of the bullish camp by dismissing them as “some kind of circus clown.” Yet many of these “clowns” have been having quite a circus party over the last couple of years. The bearish ringleaders, meanwhile, have been trying to lead a bears’ parade on Wall Street but haven’t been able to muster enough interest to turn things in their favor. The rain is pouring on the bears’ parade while the circus party rages on. Given the choice between the bears’ vision of the market’s future and that of the bulls, I say send in the clowns by all means! :D


    http://www.financialsense.com/…ials/droke/2007/0601.html

    Business Cycles 4 from 4 Video (1 hour)


    From Boom to Bust


    http://video.google.com/videop…362775&q=krassimir+petrov


    Es gibt drei Bust :


    Deflationary


    Inflationary


    Hyperinflationary


    Einer von den drei kommt, sucht Euch einen aus.
    Jedenfalls wenn die Gelddruckerei und M3 Geld Supply nicht aufhoert gibt es sicherlich den Hyperinflation Bust der so und so unvermeidbar ist und die Depression nur schlimmer und laenger macht.
    Auf Dauer kann man mit Geld drucken und verteilen die Wirtschaft nicht beleben, es ist wirkt nur kurzfristig.


    Fact:


    Governments make the mistake to continue reinflation with credit expansion until the economy gets finally busted.


    That's what the Fed is doing, IMO, history will repeat itself, back to 1930.


    Gruss


    XEX

    US warship bombs Somalia


    2007-6-2 12:44


    Mogadishu - A United States warship bombed targets in northeastern Somalia overnight after Council of Islamic Court fighters clashed with troops from the country's semi-autonomous region of Puntland, witnesses and officials said on Saturday.


    "We cannot yet tell you the causality figures, but what I can confirm is that the American warship bombed several targets in the surroundings of Bargal at night," Mohamoud Salah, a resident in the area told AFP.


    A Puntland military official confirmed the bombing that came three days after authorities there reported the entry of fighters and foreigners of Arab origin into Bargal, about 1 250km northeast of the Somali capital Mogadishu.


    "Our forces have fought with Islamic fighters, including foreigners linked to al-Qaeda," said the official.


    "After the fighting a US navy ship bombed three targets in the outskirts of Bargal in the mountainous area.


    "We cannot get information on causalities, but the bombardment continued for hours... The Puntland troops are still chasing Islamic fighters in the mountainous area."


    Earlier this year, a US gunship bombed positions in southern Somalia after Ethiopia-backed government forces ousted the Council of Islamic Court movement from the country's southern and central regions.


    The bombardment was targeting suspected al-Qaeda operatives blamed for the 1998 bombing of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as well as the 2002 attack of an Israeli-owned hotel in the Kenyan port of Mombasa, said reports.


    AFP

    Schuerfer


    Momentan benutze ich die Firmen nicht, war nur eine Idee und Webseite die ich fand.
    Selbst wenn es teuer ist fuer dich was widerum relativ ist.
    Die max. zwei Euro pro Unze im Jahr im Schliessfach A kann man sich auch leisten. Rechne mal nach wie viel Gold dort reingeht.
    http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/goldbardimensions.html


    Dann schau mal wie du das Gold nach Singapore, Mumbai,Hongkong oder Dubai kriegst falls du es dort lagern willst.
    Bei einer Deutschen (EU) Bank oder in USA kommt es zwar billiger aber ist mir nicht sicher genug.
    Ansonsten zu Hause oder im Garten vergraben, trozdem Angst haben das es jemand schnappen koennte.
    Im Garten ist nichts versichert, auch nicht in deinem.
    In der Schweiz oder Liechtenstein gehts auch, jeder verlangt halt was.


    Bei 12.000 Unzen und mehr spielt das doch kleine Rolle mehr. :D
    Ansonsten kauf CEF, sollen die das mal auf ihre Kosten lagern.
    Die haben einen mix von 49 % Silber und 49 % Gold in der Aktie und 2 % Cash.
    Viel besser als ein Gold oder Silber ETF wenn du mich fragst.


    http://www.centralfund.com/


    http://www.centralfund.com/Fin…007%20Topline%20Chart.pdf


    Total Net Assets, USD 1,003,676,333


    XEX

    Some Gold Bugs Have Given Up


    Friday, June 01, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com


    The golden bull will do everything in its considerable power to buck off those with limited knowledge or conviction about where the price of precious metals is headed.
    Such has been the case in every past bull market, and the current one will likely be no exception.
    Ironically, many of lesser fortitude WILL eventually buy gold –but right at the top! :D


    Jim Sinclair, writing on jsmineset.com observes:


    "As this key development begins to grow, having already birthed by those that have been invested in this field for years, many have given up all hope and bailed out of precious metals companies and gold itself. That is natural. It happened before and is happening again.


    Expanding Sinclair's comments into the bigger picture of undervalued investments in general, Alex Green, Investment Director of The Oxford Club writes:


    "All the greatest investors – from Warren Buffet to Peter Lynch to John Templeton – confessed that they had no clue what the market was about to due next. Instead, they bought companies that were selling for a fraction of their true worth – and sold them when the market recognized that value.


    "So rather than moving money around in the market based on some pundit’s "macroeconomic" view of the world – complete with forecasts of everything from GDP growth to consumer spending to Fed policy – concentrate on the fundamentals of the businesses you own, or would like to own.


    "What a shame it is that these people who know what is happening having bailed out and will now not reap the benefit of their mental work and long suffering.


    Gold and gold shares will be multiples of their present price and the old gang will be in depreciating US dollar. :( :D
    It is a shame but that is how it was and how it is now."



    Staff Reports - Free-Market News Network


    The real stuff is hard to beat ;)

    LONDON, June 1 (Reuters)


    Gold extended gains on Friday to hit a two-week high after the European Central Bank said it had no plans to sell any more gold this year, but a rise in the dollar may cap gains, dealers said.


    European central banks pledged to cap their total sales at 2,500 tonnes in the 2004-2009 period, or 500 tonnes a year.
    The third year of the five-year agreement runs until Sept. 26.


    http://today.reuters.com/news/…ETS-PRECIOUS-UPDATE-4.XML

    Expect the unexpected.... :D


    I wanted to make a special notation to describe what has been happening in the gold market based on the Commitment of Traders reports from this week. I had expected to see the funds reducing their longs and increasing their shorts with the commercials adding new longs and also reducing their short exposure. I also expected the spreaders to increase their exposure as well. We got some of this with the fund long liquidation that occurred, the increase by the commercials on the long side and a pretty sizeable further build in the spreader’s category. What surprised me this week was to have seen the funds covering shorts last week with the bullion banks (the gold perma-shorts) actually INCREASING their short exposure. I found the latter quite odd to say the least since the bullion banks typically do not sell the market down on weakness. They did this time around. While the commercial NET SHORT position actually decreased, it WAS NOT because the bullion banks were buying and covering shorts. They did not. Rather they increased the size of their short position. Granted, some of that may have occurred on Tuesday of this week when gold staged what looked like the beginning of a nice rally only to fade dramatically by day’s end. But it is still odd to see this taking place at such low levels in the gold price.


    What will be particularly interesting to see in next week’s COT report will be the actions of the commercial shorts, aka, the bullion banks. Will they have reverted to their standard selling as the price rallied this week or will they have actually covered some of their shorts? We shall see. :rolleyes:


    ..more>



    http://jsmineset.com/


    http://jsmineset.com/cwsimages…t_for_6-1-2007_part_1.pdf

    Zitat

    Original von heron
    Roland Watson betrachtet den Zeitraum 1920-2040. Er erwartet Silber bei 700 USD in 2040. --Über den Wert des Dollars in 2040 sagt er aber nichts. ;)


    (...) Silver reached a post-war inflationary high in 1920 of $1.38. Twelve years later it had dropped to our deflationary low. One Kondratyev cycle later silver hit another inflationary high in 1980. Thirteen years later another deflationary low was reached in 1993
    (...)
    In 48 years silver gained 200 fold over its competing assets. In the next 48 years between 1993 and some time around 2040 we may see silver grow 200 fold again to spike at $700 an ounce.


    VG heron


    Jetzt bleiben wir mal auf dem Teppich, ausserdem so alt werde ich nicht. :D
    5% von den 700 $ POS reichen mir schon zu sagen es war ein super deal Silber bei 12.88 wieder zu nachzukaufen.
    Was kostet dann ein Brot wenn der POS bei 700 $ ist ?
    Die 700 USD sind ein Weltuntergangspreis IMO.
    We may see whatever.....wie Mr. Watson schon sagt.


    MfG


    XEX

    @ prataeouro


    Hast guenstig eingekauft, ich habe mich ebenfalls physisch eindeckt und mein Pulver nun verschossen bei POG 653.50 USD.


    Der rumgehopple bei 654 $ und HUI 320 war das Signal fuer mich einzukaufen was das Zeug haelt.


    Ich schaute mehr auf die Charts die sagten, KAUFEN !


    In den naechsten paar Wochen sehen wir ob dieses timing richtig war.


    Hoffentlich sehe ich die depperte triple 6 nicht mehr, die geht mir auf den Sack.


    Ich erwarte nun einen POG weit ueber 700 USD bis Ende August.


    Well done, enjoy your weekend.


    Gruss


    Eldo

    GO GATA!!!


    What a nice way to start off the month. Meanwhile, this is a time to question coincidences …


    1. The dramatic drop of 55, 132 contracts in the gold open interest on Wednesday.


    2. Yesterday’s OI fell another 5634 contracts, bringing the new number down to 364,922
    … meaning The Gold Cartel and friends were covering massively as the predictable funds SOLD THE BOTTOM.


    3. JP Morgan Chase picks up the cheap gold at this bottom, taking in more than 11,000 contracts for delivery. Then this announcement a day later …


    PRESS RELEASE


    1 June 2007 - The ECB’s gold sales


    Over the past two months, the European Central Bank (ECB) has conducted gold sales amounting to 37 tons of gold.


    These sales are in full conformity with the Central Banks’ Gold Agreement, dated 27 September 2004, of which the ECB is a signatory.


    Together with the gold sales of 23 tons, completed on 30 November 2006, the ECB has thus sold 60 tons of gold in the third year of the agreement, which started on 27 September 2006 and ends on 26 September 2007.


    It is not the ECB’s intention to sell more gold in the current year of the agreement.


    –END-


    All of that was one big coincidence… riiiiiiiight!


    So AFTER The Gold Cartel does its thing to suppress the price and blows numerous specs out of the water, gold turns right around and starts going right back up.


    What does all this mean?


    Most importantly it reinforces what the GATA camp has to say about the gold market … in that it is all about The Gold Cartel, other central bank selling, and the physical market. Other factors, such as a weaker dollar, contribute to the demand for gold, but are a distant second to why the price of gold is going to well above $2,000 per ounce. 8o


    As The Gold Cartel runs out of available central bank gold to suppress the price, it will continue to rise and rise and rise. This was all laid out by Frank Veneroso at the GATA African Gold Summit on May 10, 2001 with the price at $256 per ounce. The price of gold has moved up for the very reasons he presented to the attendees.


    Here it is again:


    Facts, Evidence and Logical Inference


    A Presentation On Gold Supply/Demand, Gold Derivatives and Gold Loans


    By


    Frank A. J. Veneroso


    http://www.lemetropolecafe.com/pfv.cfm?pfvID=1525


    -END-

    Things have changed, the Gold COT Report today:


    86.5% now Bullish :)


    http://news.goldseek.com/COT/1180726415.php


    And Silver COT ?....74.5% Bullish :]


    http://news.silverseek.com/COT/1180726492.php


    Gold Warehouse Stocks:
    7,633,132 - 34,803

    Silver Warehouse Stocks:
    130,497,159 -1,016


    More action in either direction next week.


    ------------------------------------


    China:


    Investment in Gold?


    Will they invest in gold? We believe they will, but the sheer size of their reserves makes it impossible for them to go into the open market to buy gold, after all a tonne of gold only cost $20 million, 50 tonnes a $billion. What will be easy for them to do is to buy gold for their reserves via the purchase of local production, now around 250 tonnes a year [a mere $5 billion], but this will be paid for with Yuan. The Chinese want to keep the surplus away from the Chinese economy and avoid increasing the inflationary printing of money, so they will be cautious when doing this. Such caution will, of course, be tempered by a continuous expansion of the local money supply to accommodate the larger economy and its consequential demand for more money. So the purchase of local gold is certainly on the table of choices in front of the Bank of China.


    A more appropriate way to ensure that there is gold in China is to expand the size of the local Chinese gold market through the widening of the gold market and direct encouragement to the Chinese citizens to buy gold and we believe they want to do this. After all the holding of gold by its citizens, still leaves that gold within its reach.


    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldForecaster/1180712552.php



    Cheers


    XEX