Beiträge von Eldorado

Hi Bob

Ich habe bzw.glaube das Central Fund of Canada (CEF) der beste TRust ist, ich habe dort eine Menge Units.
Wenn die baden gehen, dann alle.

http://www.centralfund.com/

Ich schau mir die Sherritt gleich an, keine Ahnung was die machen.

Cheers, take care.

XEX

bob

Kurzfristig ist alles drin, wir reden von max.2-3i Wochen, Bob.

Langfristig wird Gold/Silber steigen, bei den anderen Metallen ist alles moeglich.

Oil ist weiter gefallen weil die in Iran nun sagen sie machen doch nichts nuklear. Eine Media Propaganda, sonst nichts.

Schoen die Welt ist wieder in Ordnung.

Sinclair sagte:

The Formula is correct. Gold is going to $1650. Spin is fixated on making everything just dandy for the mid term elections. The dollar upside is limited by the Chinese Wall.

If you are long gold anything on margin shame on you. The Green Doctrine if practiced would result in higher highs in all the shares now being raided by the bears.

Traders can do whatever they please because in truth 95% of the non-professionals will get creamed.

The world is dead center in the slippery slope and no one cares until it hits the fan. Iran is going nuclear and that is that. Hezbollah is re-arming, re-grouping and getting ready to show their faces again. Afghanistan is getting hot, having increased suicide bombing incidents to forty as compared to one in the same period last year. Iraq is simply a rolling disaster.

But all is well at the COMEX and NYSE for now.

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Komisch das manche immer noch davon reden das Kupfer in einer Hausse ist.
http://www.goldseiten.de/conte…berichte.php?storyid=3131

Egal, nur Papierverluste z.Zt. wer aber physisch Gold und Silber will es geht auch konservativ mit CEF..... jeder hat eben ein anderes Risikoprofil.
Die Calls sind mit langem Expiredate, was soll mir da gross passieren mit target 675 /700 USD und Silber mit 13 Dollar.

Vielleicht dreht sich die Sache noch vor Ladenschluss, who knows.

Lets face it and watch the show, its not my first scary movie.

Gruss

XEX

@ Minos

Gold Call :

NL0000066439 / ABN5X2

NL0000065100 / ABN2PK

NL0000478345 / ABN05F

Silber Call :

NL0000478451 / ABN05U

. ...oder Ishares in NYSE

GLD 58.42 USD

SLV 113.67 USD

Frederic Lasserre, director of commodities research at Societe Generale SA in Paris, said a 50 percent plunge in metals prices is ``likely.''
Weiter so, selten ein Nachteil ohne Vorteil !!
Und nu lasserre alle fallen,the joke of the day.
Oder ein 11.September Effekt ??

Hallo Saccard

Ueber Mahendra kan man geteilter Meinung sein,wie bei fast jeden Analysten. Der hat manchmal Momente da liegt er gut mit seinen Einschaetzungen,manchmal spinnt er komplett und ist auf einmal Dollar Fan und quatscht von Bond kaufen wie du.
Du aenderst auch oft deine Meinung. btw
Fuer mich macht es keinen Sinn das mit SKI der HUI auf 220 fallen kann.
Das kannst jemand anders verzapfen, es ist laecherlich so etwas zu behaupten.
Wenn ein Analyst oder Guru mein Gefuehl bestaetigt dann liege ich meistens richtig und fuehle mich dann auch besser.

Wir werden ja sehen wie viel Munition das Gold Kartel auf Lager hat in den naechsten Stunden oder Tage. Sicher kann es nach Stabilisierung seitwaerts gehen, Gold und Silber holt dann Luft und schockt dann die Gegenseite spaetestens nach dem 22.September.

Auf das kann ich auch noch warten....

Wie auch immer, Fasten your Seatbelts, its D-Day now.
Innerhalb 40 Stunden ist der PoG wieder ueber 600 USD..IMO
Its the last big washout in 2006... nothing else !
Bei den Preisen kommen sehr viele physische Kaeufer daher, in Indien freut man sich, die Wedding Season faengt jetzt an.
So eine Chance so guenstig einzukaufen kommt dieses Jahr nicht mehr wieder.

Good luck

Eldo

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Sisss...Gogh :(.... da graust mir gleich...

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Gogh, alles ist hier moeglich, schau mal in den RSA thread, dann lachts dir einen was die sonst noch machen.
Das Posting von mir geht zwar durch aber es zeigt im Forum nicht an,heute sind zu viele Spectators die schaun was die Goldbugs nun machen. ...

Gar nichts !.... just sit tight...oder kaufe auf teufel komm raus.

Well auch das Schweigen der Laemmer....wie immer bei so was.

Vlok: 'My role in dirty war'

Yolandi Groenewald and Tumi Makgetla | Johannesburg, South Africa


08 September 2006 07:56

Apartheid law and order minister Adriaan Vlok this week shed new light on his involvement in the dirty war against activists in the 1980s — including signing pre-drafted letters thanking policemen for carrying out assassinations.

In a wide-ranging, two-hour interview at the Mail & Guardian’s offices, Vlok also admitted using words like “eliminate” in motivating policemen to crack down on political troublemakers.

And he described former president PW Botha’s "intense interest" in security and central role in getting police to maak ’n plan (sort out) unrest. Botha had congratulated Vlok for police operations, including the bombing of the South African Council of Churches’ Khotso House headquarters in Johannesburg.

And it emerged this week that he had extended his journey of repentance by washing the feet of 10 widows and mothers of the “Mamelodi 10”, who were lured to their deaths by police agent Joe Mamasela. Their bodies were burned and buried in a field in Winterveld, near Pretoria, where the remains were recently found and identified by the National Prosecuting Agency.

However, Vlok remained adamant that he had nothing more to tell and that he could not “lie” to satisfy victims’ demands for information.

He insisted that, in general, he did not know the details of police operations — including cross-border raids and assassinations — and knew nothing of the police hit squads operating from the notorious Vlakplaas base.

Vlok was catapulted into the spotlight after presidential aide and former anti-apartheid churchman Frank Chikane told a media conference he had washed his feet. His interview with the M&G was the most detailed and revealing he has yet given.

Vlok placed a coaster on a glass of water, using it as an explanation of South Africa in the 1980s. It was like “a pot of boiling water with a lid on”, he said. “It could not go on and boil forever. Eventually the steam would blow the lid off. That was the situation we were in. An absolute state of anarchy and disorder was developing. More than 80 000 cases of unrest were reported to me from 1986 to 1991.”

Vlok depicts himself as a leader who prodded policemen into action without knowing, or caring, what they were going to do.

The notorious “Pebco Three” incident, in which three Port Elizabeth activists were murdered, is a case in point. Police officer Harold Snyman has described a visit by Vlok, then defence minister Magnus Malan and Botha to the Eastern Cape shortly before the killings and the “pressure … exercised from the government’s side to act in a drastic way to neutralise activists and to help the security situation to normalise”.

Vlok said he had travelled to many places “under siege” and spoken to “many Harold Snymans”.

“It’s true pressure was exercised on the security forces to stabilise the country. I held motivational talks with the security forces in which I told the guys to make a plan. And we used words like ‘eliminate’ in the speeches.”

Vlok said he believed United Democratic Front activists and other troublemakers had to be “neutralised” in some communities. He told state personnel in hot spots to “maak ’n plan”.

Vlok also described his role in a dirty tricks campaign aimed at quelling a consumer boycott in Mamelodi after complaints by white business. The police had distributed hoax pamphlets in the township telling residents to collect food packages from the houses of members of the boycott committee at a certain time, together with their addresses. When no food was produced, the crowd burnt down the activists’ houses.

“That was dirty tricks. We called it Stratcom,” he said.

Vlok said he did “not for one second” believe he was on the wrong side. He saw himself as responsible for a security solution, while others like PW Botha focused on a political solution.

Vlok said he and Malan worked very closely with Botha, who always showed an intense interest in security issues.

“But he was also very strong on the principle of ‘need-to-know’. Frequently after a Cabinet or state security council meeting, he would say to one or two ministers present and even heads of department: ‘Can you please stay behind?’ This was the case in the Khotso House bombing.”

Botha had been happy with the bombing. “With operations he would congratulate us and say ‘that was good work and I am happy with you’,” Vlok said. “He was particularly happy that there was no loss of life.”

Vlok said he functioned mostly as a channel through which Cabinet and security council decisions were relayed to police chiefs.

Asked if the state security council discussed “taking out” particular individuals — removing them from circulation — he said lists of names had been handed out at the council.

“You have to make an analysis of your opponent,” he says. “We had to know what the influence of leader figures were and their role in creating a revolutionary climate. We talked about how we could limit these people. But never that we should kill them.”

He maintained that he was never personally involved in organising police actions — instead he received briefs about his department that he never questioned.

Vlok also denied deliberately lying to Parliament about Gauteng activist Stanza Bopape, who died in detention. His subordinates had informed him in a written memo that Bopape had escaped when they had stopped the vehicle transporting him to fix a puncture.

“I told this story to Parliament,” he says. “I got another note from the police saying one of their reporters had spotted him in the vicinity of Krugersdorp. I had no reason to think Bopape was dead.”

He said it was only during the Truth Commission process that he found out about Bopape’s death in custody shortly after his arrest.

Questioned about the extensive use of torture by the police, Vlok initially said he believed reports of police brutality were anti-government propaganda.

However, he later admitted that he was not wholly in the dark. “As general Johan Van der Merwe has often told me, maybe we also closed our eyes against the practices. You must remember you are busy with a war. If you can get info from a guy and you can use that info to stop the explosion of a limpet mine, or a car bomb — if you can stop it, we said thank you, and that was wrong.”

Denying any knowledge of what was happening at Vlakplaas, Vlok said he had only met jailed assassin Eugene de Kock on brief visits to the police base.

“If I think back, I did not visit Vlakplaas more than two or three times, maybe four times,” he said. “But I knew Vlakplaas scared the living daylights out of the opposition.”

Vlok portrayed himself as a hands-off minister, with little detailed knowledge of police activities. Eastern Transvaal police commander Lappies Labuschagne told the Truth Commission that Vlok had sent him a letter thanking him for the cross-border assassination of Theophilius Dlodlo in Swaziland in 1987.

Vlok said the policemen involved might have drawn up a letter for him, thanking Labuschagne for his “good work” without specifying what he had done exactly, which he then signed. “But even if I did not have the knowledge, I left the impression with these guys that I approved of their actions,” he said.

Asked about police cross-border raids in countries such as Swaziland, Vlok denied any knowledge of the assassinations of Cassius Make, Paul Dikaledi and Connie Burns, among others.

“If I became aware of anything that had happened and I asked the commanding general ‘what happened — was that us?’, he would reply: ‘Sir, it is better if you don’t know’,” Vlok said. “And yes, sometimes they told me a lie.”

He explains his ignorance as a great loyalty to the police.

“I was loyal to the police, maybe it is one of my shortcomings,” Vlok said. “But I stood up for them. I protected them. I should have asked more questions. Maybe I could have prevented some of these happenings.”

In his application to the Truth Commission, he tried to create a legal framework that would give policemen the opportunity to come forward and talk about their role in apartheid crimes.

“Those policemen that got amnesty referred to this framework,” he says. “We gave the grounding to them to tell the amnesty committee that politically we were responsible and not they. They carried out a political order.”

Now it’s mothers of ‘Mamelodi 10’
Vlok washed the feet of the mothers and widows of the “Mamelodi 10” shortly after meeting presidential aide Frank Chikane to perform the same act of contrition. He washed their feet a day before Chikane spoke to the media.

Their meeting was one of the meetings between victims and perpetrators organised by the Khulumani Victims Support Group, which originated from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC).

Vlok was introduced to the mothers by Brigit Hess, who had worked with the Mamelodi group since 2003 as part of a doctorate.

“Truth is not about facts, you can get facts from the TRC,” said Hess. “Truth is about looking into someone’s eyes.”

The Mamelodi 10 were teenagers killed in 1986 after being lured into an ambush by police askari Joe Mamasela. Mamasela later told the Truth Commission that he had promised to send them to Botswana to join the ANC.

Hess raised the idea of meeting the mothers when she met Vlok in 2004. When the first meeting happened in May 2004, he said he was sorry and explained he was also a victim because his wife had died.

The mothers had also met another police commander implicated in atrocities, with high expectations that he would shed light on their sons’ fate. But Khulumani’s Marjorie Jobson said the mothers had left devastated. “He couldn’t say sorry, and that was all they really wanted.”

In July this year, Vlok read an article by Dutch Reformed Church pastor Stefan Joubert, about a former air force lieutenant washing his maid’s feet in Mamelodi to atone for her treatment.

At a second meeting with the Mamelodi women, Vlok was inspired to wash their feet. Initially, some of the women had hesitated, but Catherine Magabula, who had lost her son, Jeremiah, immediately removed her socks.

“Mr Vlok swallowed his pride, that is why the ladies accepted,” a Mamelodi widow, Lizzie Sefolo, said.

Vlok said it would have been easy just to meet them and wave goodbye. But the encounter had turned into a deep spiritual experience for everyone.

The mothers also met jailed police killer Eugene de Kock at the Pretoria Central Prison, and he had spoken in great detail about events of which he had knowledge.

Jobson said De Kock “reeled” when the women asked him to pray for them at the end of their meeting, but had agreed.

Jobson said she had received anonymous calls as a LifeLine counsellor from white men suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, and alcohol and drug dependency who had been involved in police activities during apartheid. “People are not disclosing the extent to which they were not able to get their lives together because of the nightmares and the memories,” she said.

Jobson said that even before Vlok’s formal acts of atonement, he had seemed different from his former colleagues in the security establishment. She recalls an invitation to meet the former law and order minister when she was a member of a small “standing for truth” committee in the late 1980s.

A man not fully freed from the past
Adriaan Vlok could have been en route to a state security council meeting in the 1980s when he met the M&G this week, write Yolandi Groenewald and Tumi Makgetla.

In a neatly pressed navy suit, he carried a worn briefcase filled with folders still bearing the seal of the old South Africa.

But the lines of age and stress are clearly visible on his face. Being law and order minister during the most violent period of South African history has left its mark.

So has personal tragedy. Vlok’s first wife committed suicide just when he was ready to retire “to Melkbosstrand to watch the sea”.

He found love again two years later with Antoinette, the former wife of fellow Cabinet minister Barend du Plessis.

Vlok accounted to the Truth Commission for police atrocities under his watch, but in a very limited way. He sought amnesty only for the bombings of Khotso House, the South African Catholic Bishops Conference headquarters in Pretoria and Cosatu House. He admits that only in the past 10 years has he seen the light.

His briefcase also contains his meticulously handwritten diary, filled with appointments.

“It’s been quite a busy few weeks,” he says. “I’ve lost count of how many people have called me.”

Suddenly, his cellphone bursts into an electronic rendition of Die Stem, suggesting a man who has not fully freed himself from the past. The number itself is a closely guarded secret. Instead, he arranges his appointments through an answering machine on his landline. But an avalanche of interview requests in recent days has flooded his machine, forcing us to “doorstop” him at his Centurion home.

Driving past well-clipped lawns, we nearly missed his old orange-painted house.

When Vlok emerged to speak to us, he was surprisingly polite and immediately agreed to be interviewed by his old enemy. Grinning, he reminded us that the M&G’s Inkathagate exposé had cost him his job. And he arrived exactly on time for the interview at the M&G’s Johannesburg offices.

At one point our photographer climbed onto the table to get a better angle for a picture. “A photographer once did that with PW,” he remembered. “But he didn’t like that very much.”

Und schon kommt die Offer:

Gold Fields - Offer by Gold Fields to acquire the entire issued share capital of Western Areas Limited ("Western Areas") and cautionary .

Gold Fields to acquire 50% of South Deep from Barrick, increase its stake in Western Areas to 34.7% with an option to go to 41%, and to make a general offer to Western Areas Shareholders.

Die Amis kommen mit unseren Neger nicht klar, die sind froh wenn sie verkaufen.

Warum machte Ian dieses Angebot ???.... weil der Rand bald kraeftig faellt ?

South Deep is one of the most important developing gold mines in the world, with reserves of 29.3 million ounces contained in a resource of 67 million ounces.

Jedenfalls Ian Cockerill ist nicht dumm, der weiss was er macht.

Er ist einer der besten hier.

Es geht genau in die Richtung wie manche geschrieben haben.

Hommelberg, Mahendra, etc... etc...

Die Shorts wollen nochmal das Juni Low testen, bzw. 200 dma.

Diese Tage/Woche der Haertetest, die 581 USD schaffen sie aber nicht IMO.

Mahendra sagte, buy at 581 USD

Aber:... IMO

Gold finds strong support in the $590 - $600 area

HUI finds strong support in the 320-340 area

Ich schlagte gerade vorhin bei PoG 594 $ mit der letzten Kohle bei einem Gold Call 700 $ der bis 06/2009 geht zu.

Silber Calls sind sicherlich auch interessant.

Wenn die soviel Put schreien, sage ich Call.

Bin gespannt was die bei der Comex spaeter machen, sorry Crimex !

Es wird nun in den naechsten Tagen alles abgefeuert was nur geht, ich gehe jetzt in Deckung.

Frueher oder spaeter geht den Cabals die Munition wieder aus.

XEX

Ist nun eine gute Zeit fuer langfriste Optionsscheine fuer Gold und Silber

675 or 700 USD sowie 13 or 15 USD targets mit Expire Dates 12/2007 - 06/2009 schauen sehr attraktiv aus IMO.

Have a nice day :].... trotz dem Einbruch bei den Metallen.

I'm off shopping

Gruss

Eldo

Eric bestaetigt mein Gefuehl. :]..jetzt schlafe ich gut.

GOLD HUI – Major break-out within a month?

by Eric Hommelberg

September 09, 2006

On September 03 we send out an alert to our members suggesting the HUI could be on the verge of a major break-out since its 353 resistance level was being challenged for the 4th time. On September 06 the HUI slashed the 353 with ease indeed and rocketed all the way up to 369. Unfortunately the HUI break-out couldn’t be confirmed by gold and down we went thereby classifying the HUI break-out as a false one. So were to go from here? What can we expect and what should be watched closely coming days/weeks?

Well, lets have a peek first at the HUI chart itself. It’s obvious that the spike above 353 was a false break-out so a new triangle formation has been formed which should be taken out first before a major ‘BUY’ could be generated.

Clearly visible is the formation of the new A-B triangle. This formation however won’t exist for a long period of time since the A-B lines will be crossing within a month..The HUI finds support at current levels at 337 (50 dma and B-line). If these support levels fail then the HUI will find support at its 200 dma (320).. So the 320-340 area could be considered as a strong support area.

Whether or not the HUI will manage to break this formation to the upside anytime soon depends on the gold price. The sudden drop in the gold price scared many investors out of the gold arena past days but things aren’t that bad as they seem to be. Gold just didn’t manage to break out of its triangle formation and is heading down now to its previous summer lows in the low $600 area.

Despite the fact the $22 drop in just two trading sessions isn’t exactly what the average gold investor is dreaming of it isn’t most likely the start of a major correction either. Why not? Simple, all major corrections of the past 4 years started off in the face of severe overbought conditions. In other words, gold never started a major correction while witnessing neutral technicals. Therefore the odds are this sudden drop has almost run its course. Gold finds support right now at previous summer lows in the low $600’s. When these support levels fail gold will find support at its 200 dma ($590).
Yes, the downside risk is only a mere $20 from here on while the gold’s price objective after breaking the triangle formation to the upside exceeds $800!

So again gold failed to break out to the upside of its triangle formation and we have to wait patiently for the next attempt.. When that will be is any-ones guess but the chart suggests it will be within a month from now.

Summary:

HUI break-out above 353 was a false one since it couldn’t be confirmed by gold

HUI finds strong support in the 320-340 area

HUI must break its newly formed triangle formation to the upside before a new major “BUY’ could be generated (currently a close above 369 is required)

Gold failed to break-out of its triangle formation and fell back to the lower side ..

Gold finds strong support in the $590 - $600 area

Current formation will be taken out within a month.

If gold succeeds in breaking out to the upside then it will mark the end of the down-trend which started in May.

The price objective for gold once broken out to the upside exceeds $800+ :]... End

....I buy it !!!....that's the picture for me, after the new moon from 22.September the wheel starts turning. IMO.

Just go and get it if you haven't got it

We'll see !!

Gruss

Eldo

Wenn er ""Free-minded"" ist dann nicht.

Das waere ja Gotteslaesterung.

Over and out !

Kalle

Den Kalender kenne ich gar nicht, vielleicht weil am 22. der Neumond anfaengt. ?

Keine Ahnung was die glattstellen,einige essen auch Schweinefleisch.

@ uzf

Ich moechte nur Edelman aufholen.

Also Prost, das wird schon wieder bei Dir.

Spass muss sein, besonders an solchen Tagen.

In ein paar Stunden geht die Show weiter....

Than we can talk business again.

Vielleicht bin ich auch ganz stad fuer eine zeitlang.

I made my move already ! ;)..jetzt heisst es zwei Wochen aushalten.

Gnight

Lucky...

Mei wo bist denn du rumgrennt ? :D..da kommst nur mit Whiskey durch.

Ich habe mir mal irgendwo eine Hepatitis geholt ohne gross zu merken, heute bin ich Imun. ...durch Scotch wahrscheinlich

Aber nicht das sie dann als Alki zurueckkommt.

Expect the unexpected, hoffen wir sie hat trotzdem einen schoenen Urlaub.........

REALLY !!!

Die Linar will doch nur das Thaj Mahal (touch ma mal) sehen, Kamasutra gibt es auch in der Schweiz.

Der Astrologe wuerde sagen:

...an important geocosmic signature coming up.

Up to you !

Das kannst so oder so machen....

Ich glaube nicht das sie die realen Preise representieren,der aendert sich nach supply und demand im endeffekt.
Aber Computerzahlen hat man schnell parat wenn es brennen sollte.

Ich habe nicht viel Ahnung von Futures ausser das ich weiss die sind gefaehrlicher als Aktien. Etwas fuer Profis, da gibt es viel Beschiss und irgend einer der voher verbrannt ist zahlt die Rechnung. Da sind Deriviate im Spiel, dass Zeug koennten sie nie liefern.

Klar nehmen die meisten lieber das Geld als tonnen von Zucker in der Garage zu stapeln. Bei Gold wenn man es bekommt, ist es einfacher.

HOT GAMBLE, mehr sage ich nicht dazu.

Goldene Regel ist max. 1%-3% vom Spielgeld um mit denen zu spielen, mit mehr wird man oft sehr schnell geschlachtet von den Profis, es kann oft zu Totalverlust fuehren. X(..ich hatte einige !

15% Glueck und viel Nervenkitzel.

Die Bank gewinnt meistens !

Meistens schlagen die Jungs vor dem Expire Day zu und je nach dem wie sie dastehen hauen sie unerwartet den trade in die andere Richtung von grossen Spielern auf dem Future Markt und Banken.

Desto kuerzer die Laufzeit ohne das target zu erreichen machen die ganz schnell wertlos.

Well, der trend is your friend, aber es kann auch dein grosses Problem sein.

Anyway, good luck !

XEX

....stay cool, Jeff might be over the top.