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  • Looks like Gold's resistance levels are at equidistance to its support levels. The triangle may not be perfect - nobody and nothing is - though you could've have made the same argument for support vs. resistance.


    Some, including myself, have been preaching of an imminent tanking of PM's and its shares in the short term - actually following l.t. cycles via Ian Notely's theories. The slump has manifested itself rough and dirty in the shares; Not so in the underlying precious metals itself!


    Now, every guru and his brother is recommending to totally desert the mining sector, as it has been proven that they never will make a comeback!


    Exactly - Never will they make a comeback for your run of the mill guru and his followers as these extremists will not have another opportunity to build and accumulate a portfolio of miners at bargain prices.


    The miners have never before been as sold out, sold short and generally abandoned in a secular gold bull market as today. When, and not if the turn around happens - and I suspect sooner than anyone believes - the crowding in effect will be of such magnitude that no-one able, willing and liquid will make it back in!


    ... Position yourself accordingly in this environment of sheer desperation in the mining sector ... Hey and sell your Google, as long as its market cap is higher than the total US Auto industry ....


    ... and the following comments about gold industry execs are not totally undeserved :

    Interesting comments
    (whatsup) Apr 22, 14:32

    ZURICH -- London based resources investment manager Graham French delivered a brutal but deserved rebuke to the majority of gold company bosses for putting bankers ahead of shareholders.
    French was a keynote speaker, along with US Global’s [GROW] Frank Holmes, at a luncheon convened for the European Gold Forum.
    French is one of the most influential equity owners in the industry. His group has around $12 billion invested in precious metals and the particular fund he manages, the Vanguard Precious Metals Fund [VGPMX], is worth $1.3 billion, and has been a top performer over the long-term.
    He dressed down gold producers for failing their owners in several areas including hedging, returns below the cost of capital, a fetish with retaining earnings rather than distributing them as dividends, elevating growth above returns, and avoiding rights issues for fund raisings.
    French blasted the deference to banks. “When we asked gold producers why they hedged at $300 an ounce. . . they said because the bankers told them to. Now I ask them, playing Devil’s advocate, why they aren’t hedging at $430 an ounce, and they say it’s the bankers again!”



    He urged companies to address their investors once more, not their bankers or advisors.
    “It’s about returns, not growth or geology, or maps, or anything else,” he said.
    French said that over the past 16 years, the gold sector’s cost of capital was 6%. However, the industry had only managed to achieve returns over that period of 2-3%. In other words, the gold equity industry is responsible for destroying wealth on a tremendous scale.
    Only twice has the industry returned a result higher than its cost of capital – in 1992 and 2003. French noted, with pained irony, that those two years also marked the sector being the best asset class. That translated into significant multiple expansion, but it was quickly squandered by a return to the old ways.
    Speaking to Resource Investor afterward, French agreed that part of the problem is entrenched pessimism. Company management is more concerned with stockpiling money in advance of a downturn in the cycle than it is with maximizing returns. Similarly, producers are not mining at higher grades to take advantage of higher metal prices, but are rationing deposits with ascetic zeal.
    Pay dividends
    French cited a University of Chicago study which showed that over nearly 60 years companies that paid the highest dividends outperformed the market on earnings and return on capital.
    The difference is staggering. Dividend payers achieved annual rates of return of 4.2% versus 0.4% for companies that did not pay dividends.
    A dividend is a reflection of management confidence, said French. Those who pay them are secure about future earnings. Those who retain them are less so, but even more dangerous, they are prone to use retained earnings for empire building.
    “I’m fed up with size arguments. . . claims that big is beautiful. It is about returns. I don’t give a damn how big your company is, just how much it returns” French said.
    His view highlights the professional battle between bankers and hedge funds, who are driven by short term fees and arbitrage tricks, and fund managers who rely on much longer time frames.
    Reward your shareholders


    Pretty good and heady stuff - Cheers frr

    frr

  • frr


    Thanks, its an interesting posting and also a disgrace that bankers control indirectly mining companies. I hope the washout is finished soon and everybody can see that the GM shares are manipulated and people not ready to get in again at this point in time. The juniors got wacked most. There are still too many scary movies around and prophets of the doom.I don't know who is Ian Notely and it is correct that you warned prior of a heavy attack from the PPT. We'll install you as a tsunami warner if I may. :))


    I was also surprised to see my 195 HUI line smashed and I feel it was a very well orchestrated massive attack.
    Well, its hanging around 190 now and as far as I see it the 180 was the end of it. The RSA shares like HMY and GFI went further south today and the Rand is going strong despite all the romours and predictions.Another currency which is a miracle and suspect at the same time.


    Today I listened to CNBC and they reckoned that if France does not vote in favour of the EU an economic chaos will start, so or so !
    The bonds in the US are overvalued and they said that in the next five years equities will have a real annual return of only 2.5-3% after inflation and people should get out of bonds.


    Its amazing how they can control the sheeps with media and fake figures to keep them were they want them. Just listen to Bob Pisani & Maria Bartilova, and crazy Kramer and you know. The tell the crowd what is in and what is out.


    Anyhow, wish you all a nice weekend, the markets are fortunate closed ;)



    Regards


    Eldorado 8)

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  • Friday, April 22, 2005, 4:37:00 PM EST


    Gold and Dollar Market Summary


    Author: Jim Sinclair



    Dear CIGA:


    Bloomberg has just reported that the US government has asked the Chinese to intervene with North Korea. Intelligences sources have reported that North Korea may be preparing for a nuclear weapons test.


    What do you expect when you have a certified maniac running a country with long range nuclear delivery devices?


    First we get multiple days in a row with the Dow losing triple figures and then one day it’s up over 200 points and the glee is uncontained. Towards the close today, the DOW was down over 100 points before being jammed higher to post a 60 point loss overall. Have you ever had the feeling that this entire thing can be summed up with “Many Flew over the Cuckoos’ Nest?”


    You can’t deny that a lot happened today but if it substantively did I can’t find it. Looking at the weekly action of the USDX you have to ask yourself what is all the noise about. It certainly looks to me like a great deal of absolutely nothing.


    Gold


    The price of gold has religiously performed in the inverse of the US dollar. As much as KA and JES would like to be specific, you have to admit that the gold bears did shoot hard at the $433 level.


    The salient point is that there is now the highest probability that we are making our way not simply back up but to new highs. That is not tomorrow, but it is a summertime cool breeze at the back of the gold price. Remember the number $480 + before you pick your Berkshire tomatoes this year. :D

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  • I have explained over and over again that this is not a new bull market according to Dow theory. I have explained that this rally will serve to separate Phase I from Phase II of this great bear market. Most believe that this great secondary reaction has been a new bull market. Nothing could be further from the truth according to Dow theory. The charts are telling us that the downturn into Phase II has likely begun and that this will be a global event. You have been warned, Again!
    http://www.financialsense.com/Market/wrapup.htm


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  • As our long time subscribers know, we haven't always been so keen on gold, but we have been in recent years due to the mega investment shift that happened in 2000 and the events since then. Remember, gold is the ultimate currency and it always has been. Throughout history, paper currencies have come and gone but gold is real money and it's maintained its value over the centuries. It has a 5000 year track record, which no other investment can claim. If nothing else, think of gold as an insurance policy. During these volatile and uncertain times, we don't believe you'll regret it.
    Aus:
    ...a 5000 year track record
    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/aden/aden042505.html

  • Over the last 50 years or so, gold and oil have generally moved together in terms of price, with a positive price correlation of over 80 percent. During this time, the price of oil in gold ounces has averaged about 15 barrels per ounce. However, with recent soaring oil prices, the relationship has strayed far from this average. While oil prices recently set an all-time high of $56 per barrel, gold prices have not kept pace and the oil:gold ratio fell to an all-time low of 7.5:1. At US$56 per barrel oil, the gold price should be in excess of US$840 per ounce. Some experts are suggesting that, in two or three years, US$100 per barrel oil is very possible. At that price gold should be US$1500 per ounce.


    The gold silver:ratio has varied from 16:1 to 100:1. Currently it is about 66:1. Gold Fields Mineral Services expects this ratio to fall to between 40:1 and 50:1 in the near future. At a 50:1 ratio and a $1,500 gold price the price of silver should be $30/ounce. At 16:1 it would be $94/ounce.


    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/barisheff042205.html

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  • Bearish Holt & Shapard Remains Hooked On Gold


    By Greg Edwards
    Dow Jones Newswires
    Friday, April 22, 2005


    ST. LOUIS -- Wistar Holt says he's the only money manager
    in St. Louis who is a true bear.


    How bearish is he?


    The only equities that Holt buys are gold-mining stocks.
    And he's been doing that since January 2001.


    "Gold is the place to be, almost exclusively," Holt said.


    His firm, Holt & Shapard Capital Management, manages
    $40 million in assets for about 250 clients, mostly
    individuals. The accounts are fully discretionary and
    fee-based.


    Holt said he became concerned about the valuation of
    the market in late 2000, got out entirely in January 2001,
    and began looking for other investments to hedge a downturn
    in the economy.


    "The only thing I could come up with was gold," Holt said.
    "It had just gone through a 20-year bear market, hitting
    a low of $255 an ounce in January '01, from $850 an ounce
    in May 1980." Recently it has been at about $435 an ounce.


    Today Holt & Shapard's investments are 70 percent in
    precious metals mining stocks, 15 percent in the Prudent
    Bear Fund, and 15 percentin the Prudent Global Income Fund,
    a foreign government bond fund.


    The mining stocks are Agnico-Eagle Mines Ltd. (AEM), Gold
    Fields Ltd. (GFI), Goldcorp Inc. (GG), Hecla Mining Co.
    (HL), Coeur d'Alene Mines Corp. (CDE), Harmony Gold
    Mining Co. (HMY), and Newmont Mining Corp. (NEM).


    Because his portfolio is so heavily concentrated in one
    area, Holt chose large-cap stocks to minimize risk.


    "The criteria for all of these is that they are
    primarily large-cap, established companies and they are
    also unhedged," Holt said. "If you are in a gold bull
    market, you don't want to be selling years-out production because you may be locking yourself into a price that
    ends up being significantly lower than it is when that
    time comes."


    Holt's returns, net after fees, were 31.2 percent in 2001,
    155 percent in 2002, 20.1 percent in 2003, a loss of 17
    percent in 2004, and a loss of 4.2 percent through the first quarter of this year.


    Holt isn't discouraged by the downturn this year and last:
    "We think gold is still very much in a long-term bull
    market," he said.


    "I think gold will do well for several more years,
    maybe even longer," he said. "At some point, gold will
    get overvalued, and the market will presumably be
    undervalued, and I may go 180 degrees back the other way."


    However, he said, "we're miles from that now."


    Holt said his investing style has long been "deep value."
    He spent 22 years with Wall Street firms, including Smith
    Barney and Paine Webber. Eventually, he said, he no longer
    fit in.


    "My style just ran counter to Wall Street and New York,"
    he said. "I was pressured to buy traditional equities, to
    not be so bearish."


    Holt said the administration and the Federal Reserve have
    done everything they can in recent years to stimulate the economy and forestall a recession.


    "According to Austrian economics, which I subscribe to,"
    Holt said, "when you massively stimulate the economy to
    avoid a downturn, all you're really doing is deferring it.


    "The downturn will be worse because of this," he said.
    "That's why we remain entirely out of traditional equities."

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  • By Greg Edwards
    Dow Jones Newswires
    Friday, April 22, 2005


    ST. LOUIS -- Wistar Holt says he's the only money manager
    in St. Louis who is a true bear.


    How bearish is he? ?( ?(


    The only equities that Holt buys are gold-mining stocks.
    And he's been doing that since January 2001.


    "Gold is the place to be, almost exclusively," Holt said.


    His firm, Holt & Shapard Capital Management, manages
    $40 million in assets for about 250 clients, mostly
    individuals. The accounts are fully discretionary and
    fee-based.


    Holt said he became concerned about the valuation of
    the market in late 2000, got out entirely in January 2001,
    and began looking for other investments to hedge a downturn
    in the economy.


    "The only thing I could come up with was gold," Holt said.
    "It had just gone through a 20-year bear market, hitting
    a low of $255 an ounce in January '01, from $850 an ounce
    in May 1980." Recently it has been at about $435 an ounce.


    Today Holt & Shapard's investments are 70 percent in
    precious metals mining stocks, 15 percent in the Prudent
    Bear Fund, and 15 percentin the Prudent Global Income Fund,
    a foreign government bond fund.


    The mining stocks are Agnico-Eagle Mines Ltd. (AEM), Gold
    Fields Ltd. (GFI), Goldcorp Inc. (GG), Hecla Mining Co.
    (HL), Coeur d'Alene Mines Corp. (CDE), Harmony Gold
    Mining Co. (HMY), and Newmont Mining Corp. (NEM).


    Because his portfolio is so heavily concentrated in one
    area, Holt chose large-cap stocks to minimize risk.


    "The criteria for all of these is that they are
    primarily large-cap, established companies and they are
    also unhedged," Holt said. "If you are in a gold bull
    market, you don't want to be selling years-out production because you may be locking yourself into a price that
    ends up being significantly lower than it is when that
    time comes."


    Holt's returns, net after fees, were 31.2 percent in 2001,
    155 percent in 2002, 20.1 percent in 2003, a loss of 17
    percent in 2004, and a loss of 4.2 percent through the first quarter of this year.


    Holt isn't discouraged by the downturn this year and last:
    "We think gold is still very much in a long-term bull
    market," he said.


    "I think gold will do well for several more years,
    maybe even longer," he said. "At some point, gold will
    get overvalued, and the market will presumably be
    undervalued, and I may go 180 degrees back the other way."


    However, he said, "we're miles from that now."


    Holt said his investing style has long been "deep value."
    He spent 22 years with Wall Street firms, including Smith
    Barney and Paine Webber. Eventually, he said, he no longer
    fit in.


    "My style just ran counter to Wall Street and New York,"
    he said. "I was pressured to buy traditional equities, to
    not be so bearish."


    Holt said the administration and the Federal Reserve have
    done everything they can in recent years to stimulate the economy and forestall a recession.


    "According to Austrian economics, which I subscribe to,"
    Holt said, "when you massively stimulate the economy to
    avoid a downturn, all you're really doing is deferring it.


    "The downturn will be worse because of this," he said.
    "That's why we remain entirely out of traditional equities."

  • How I Tell It


    April 24, 2005


    In my talks to skeptical lay investors I’ve distilled my points regarding the gold price manipulation as follows (it also helps me to understand the issues):


    CONSPIRACY THEORIES


    People are rightfully skeptical of conspiracy theories as they can never be proved or disproved. For example, if the CIA was behind President Kennedy’s murder (something I don’t believe is true) we would never have incontrovertible evidence of it. No Director of CIA would admit to it and no official documents would ever surface linking the Agency to the assassination.


    Gold is different. If the Feds are secretly selling off the gold reserves to keep the price down, eventually the vaults will be empty and the price of gold will soar. Then the truth will come out. So if this conspiracy theory is true, it is inevitable that it will one day be exposed.


    TWO SETS OF BOOKS


    At bottom the gold conspiracy, if it is true, is a simple case of fraud. Every month the Treasury Dept. issues an report listing the gold reserves (sorry I don’t have the links immediately at hand: having trouble with Microsoft and lost all my bookmarked URL’s). And each report shows about 262 million ounces on hand.


    Every year auditors from Office of Inspector General, Secretary of the Treasury do an audit of the gold reserves. They count all the bars and assay a few to check the purity. (James Turk got a letter from a Treasury official that described the great work civil servants put into their audit). Treasury audit reports each year show about 262 million ounces of gold.


    If the government is secretly selling off the gold reserves it means all those inventory and audit reports are fraudulent. The government is keeping two sets of books. The first one has the real numbers and the second set of books, for public consumption, is nothing but lies.


    Reducing the argument to this level is something everyone can understand.


    EFFECT ON PUBLIC


    If the Feds and their Wall Street allies are secretly selling gold to keep the markets up it means the public will be hurt when it ends. Virtually all sales pitches for the stock market now are a version of the old Dollar Cost Averaging rule. Invest in a broad basket of common stocks on a regular basis and over time you will be able to put your kids through college before enjoying a comfortable retirement on the profits.


    By driving down the price of gold the Feds have created an inflated stock market. For many years now the public has never bought low, people have only bought high. Worse, they bought at an artificial, inflated and rigged high price.


    When the Fed’s gold is one day gone the fraudulent manipulation will end. The gold price will go up and the stock market will fall. As it is inevitable that one day all the gold in the vaults will be gone, it is inevitable that the stock market will drop, a lot. And none of those equity based dreams will come true.


    MEETING WITH SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE


    This is how I tell it:


    In May 2000 the GATA guys met with Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, another committee chairman (whose name escapes me) and eight of their aids. The meeting was arranged by someone who was a friend of Hastert for thirty years and it lasted for more than an hour. The GATA people were Bill Murphy, Chris Powell, James Turk and Reginald Howe. They laid out their case and left a report which is available on the Web. After it was over Hastert’s friend was told, "Stay away from gold. It is a case of national security."


    National Security? This fraud is run through the International Monetary Fund which means the governments of more than 100 countries know about it. All of our enemies, real and potential, know about the manipulated gold market. The only people who don’t know are the American people. And that is what Hastert and his kind want: to keep the American people in the dark about what their government is doing to them.


    Hank Fellerman

  • Technically Speaking with Burak


    GOLD


    At the beginning of the week it looked like we were going to have a real rally but by the end of the week it appears to have stalled. Again, my concern continues to be the lack of increased volume on upside moves. Oh yes, there is a slight increase but this can be attributed to just normal investor reaction. They are conditioned to buy on up moves and sit on the sidelines during down moves. The volume activity I am looking for on up moves would be in excess to this normal increase and that has not yet arrived.


    On the long term I have no reason to change my prognosis from that of last week. I remain bullish on the long term. As for the intermediate term, that is starting to get more difficult. Last week things were bearish, this week improvement has entered the picture. We have gold just above its intermediate term moving average line and the line is starting to turn up. Price momentum is just above its neutral line for a weak but positive reading. Volume is still the problem although the volume indicator is positive. The intermediate term point and figure chart is the final bug-a-boo. Its last sign has been a bear signal and would need a move to the $450 level to reverse. Until such time as gold takes a real tumble or reaches that $450 price I think I will play it safe and revert to a neutral stand.





    http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/burak042405.html

  • Gold & Oil


    By Eric Hommelberg
    April 25, 2005


    Gold & Oil is chapter VIII of the Gold Drivers Report. It discusses the historical Gold/Oil ratio which suggest a price of Gold exceeding $800 nowadays and shines a light a light on previous oil shocks and their consequences. This is important since the era of cheap Oil will only be found in History books from now on. Sure, Alan Greenspan comes to the rescue every now and then to assure us that high Oil prices are just temporary, but unfortunately his statements contradict those of many industry experts such as Matthew Simmons, Colin Campbell and Kenneth Deffeyes who all claim that we're approaching PEAK-OIL at an alarmingly high speed. It could be very well the case that PEAK-OIL is here right now but unfortunately we've to wait a few years in order to confirm. This chapter discusses PEAK-OIL and why it is about to bring a nasty Oil shock in the coming years..Will oil strike $380 a barrel by 2015?


    By Adam Porter in Perpignan, France
    April 21, 2005


    A report prepared by energy economists at the French investment bank Ixis-CIB has warned crude oil prices could touch $380 a barrel by 2015.


    Analysts Patrick Artus and Moncef Kaabi said in the next 10 years demand for oil will outstrip supply by around 8 million barrels per day (mbpd).


    "If one takes into account the level of previous oil shocks such as in the 1970's, we don't think a price level of $380 per barrel is out of the question," they said. END.


    You would probably wonder that if this situation is so dire indeed why politicians and or news directors don't seem to bother.


    Prof. Kenneth Deffeyes says:


    "My own feeling is that editors and news directors aren't interested in another Chicken Little story. No politician was going to run on a platform promising blood sweat and tears." END.


    But hey, still there're brave congress man who aren't afraid to pick up the issue and to raise serious questions. Congressman Roscoe Bartlett, Chairman of the Projection Forces Subcommittee of the Armed Services Committee, gave an hour long presentation on Peak Oil to the US Congress on Monday March 14:


    More.....




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  • There it sits, reflecting the natural or artificial light and perhaps the glow of your satisfaction and reassurance.


    You are a gold or silver investor and you are contemplating this little mound of metal in the comfort of your living room or perhaps some bank deposit facility. Either way, it's your metal and you intend to profit from it in the years to come. When you look at it, you see more than your face. You see multiplied profits, wealth preservation, crisis kudos and true money.


    You congratulate yourself on getting in on the bull market early. You tell yourself that anyone getting in early will likely never make a loss in his or her lifetime. That is a good assumption to be working on.


    Getting into metals when everyone was getting out is a tried and trusted investment technique. It worked for equities in the late seventies and it has worked for gold since the late nineties. The problem before our hypothetical investor is when to get out.


    Perhaps one could apply the reverse technique? Get out when everyone is getting in. That sounds easy, but first you must recognise and respond to a few things. The first is your greed, the second is other investors' greed and the third greed is why I write today.
    ... more..



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  • @ eldo


    wen du in den tiefen des netz wie ein wahnsinniger nach gründen suchst warum gold und silber steigen und du findest zufällig mal was für die heutige dollarstärke stell es auch mal rein ich finde sowas gehört hier auch dazu.

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