Thai Guru's Gold und Silber ... (Informationen und Vermutungen)

Ok, Germoney dann darfst nochmal hinschaun.

Gruss von CPT

When its going to get though, the tough goes shopping ! :))

Germoney

The American public will soon become aware of our dire economic situation as cold weather leads to gas shortages and the poor and elderly people begin to perish. One thing for sure, foreign governments of the world and al-Qaeda are well aware of our predicament and carefully observed our pathetic response to the New Orleans disaster. Our past has caught up with us. The American Empire, and especially the Bush Administration, have made no friends and lots of enemies throughout the world in recent years. We have digressed from Ugly to Butt Ugly Americans in the eyes of world. The New World Order has backfired in our face and we are about to feel the effects of the gunpowder. At the expense of our own country and economy, our government has deliberately donated America's wealth and jobs to China, India, Russia and other countries as part of the experiment of a world economy and New World Order. As Wal-Mart has flourished, our country has become totally dependant on foreign purchases of US debt instruments to keep the dollar from collapsing. Without foreign "loans", the dollar would become as worthless as Refco stock certificates and it would happen just about as quickly. The Bush Administration is now nailing the lids on our economic coffin by trying to muscle drastic actions by China, Europe and other countries to adjust currencies, increase deficit spending, and voluntarily adhere to trade quotas. It won't happen George.

For sometime now and especially over the last year, the rest of the world has been preparing for a different world order than we had planned. While the U.S. government has been busy trying to plug holes in the dyke and deceive the American people, China, Russia, Japan, India, and OPEC countries have been negotiating trade and security agreements as well as oil and mineral exploration through joint ventures. Russia and China recently held joint military exercises against an "imaginary enemy". Russia and China both have close ties with Iran and would not standby if the Bush Administration decides to magnify their growing list of mistakes and miscalculations. China, Russia and India are not hated throughout the Muslim world and will become replacements for the U.S. as the primary customer for OPEC oil. The U.S. population is less than 300 million while China and India alone have a combined population over 3 billion 300 million. Thanks to George W. Bush and company, there are growing lists of countries that rightfully fear United States aggression and they are preparing for the economic and military defense of their sovereign nations.

Can the rest of the world survive and prosper without the United States?

You bet they could and will and soon. Osama Bin Laden and al-Qaeda clearly stated that their primary objective has been to bring down America's economy. Unfortunately, that goal is being fulfilled, greatly assisted by a seemingly endless series of mistakes and criminal actions by our government. While the U.S. government sells our gold reserves in order to hide the truth about the declining value of the U.S. dollar and hyperinflation, other countries are loading up on gold reserves (diversifying). Any remaining silver that exists will soon disappear also. Dubai will shortly become the biggest and only corruption-free gold exchange in the world. Silver and Gold will return to their rightful place as the foundation of the world's currencies - whether the United States and Britain agree and participate, or not. The New World Order will become a reality but not as planned by the elitists. A unified OPEC, China, India, and Russia will dominate world economics and if the United States objects, our "markers" will be called in. When will it happen? Simply follow the price of gold. As it waves goodbye to $529, you will know that the ultimate weapon of mass destruction has been fired and the truth will be exposed.

Unlike our president, I did not have a rich, powerful father and was on active duty during Vietnam. I continued to serve in the military for nearly 22 years, believing my Country's causes and government were fair, honest and just. Like many countries, we have much to be proud of in our short history as a nation. We were on the right side during many conflicts in the past. We were once a proud, hardworking, god-fearing people who respected honor and justice. As I write this letter, I can only hope that some person, entity or institution will step forward and begin revealing the truth to the American public. I believe America can change our path to destruction, but we must come clean and begin by holding our criminals accountable, both Republican and Democratic. I urge all of GATA and CIGA to flood their congressman and news media with demands for the truth concerning the blatant market manipulation and price fixing being conducted by our government and demand a public investigation and prosecution of those involved. This is what I have done for several months.

Chuck A

Zitat

Original von Edel Man

Wohl kaum.
Denn wer ist imstande, diese ungeheuren Berge Fiat Money zu drucken?
Und wer hat die tollen Medien,diese als real money und Gold als Relikt zu propagieren?

A unified OPEC, China, India, and Russia will dominate world economics and if the United States objects, our "markers" will be called in.

When will it happen? Simply follow the price of gold.

Dubai will shortly become the biggest and only corruption-free gold exchange in the world.

Yessir, follow the money.

Germoney

Thanks Edel Man, it was a nice tune with my coffee this morning.

Have a nice day, there is always a solution !

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Zunächst mal geht es mit der Inflation (steigende Lebensmittelprreise) wieder eine Stufe höher.

Seit dem der Ölpreis so stark steigt, habe ich mir aus diesem Grund ein paar Zertifikate auf Weizen und Zucker ins Depot gelegt. Bin bisher eigentlich ganz zufrieden und erwarte im Laufe des nächsten Jahres einen deutlichen Anstieg.

A China silver miner's holiday

The Wallace Street Journal
By David Bond
Associate Editor, Free-Market News Network
Editor, Silver Valley Mining Journal

Kunming, Yunnan Province, China – The haze of a hundred cigarettes hovers over this jam-packed saloon of vaguely Anglo-American-nautical theme. A series of bands, some live, some karaoke, bangs out a mix of killer hard rock and the ubiquitous sappy Japanese-redux-style Roger Williams whiner Muzak. Rock-n-roll, not whiner-music, is clearly the favorite in Kunming.

On the dance floor there is a beer-can stacking contest, four feet high seeming to be the theoretical limit, wild hoots and applause if the theoretical altitude is exceeded; the hookers are chugging Heineken on dares twixt one another, chasing their beers with wine; you can save money if you order rounds of Heineken or Dali bottles, or Tingtsao cans, by the case for your table; a game of Liar's Dice is under way; a gold-miner with fine property in Henan Province is being hustled by (yet another) Canadian major – his property package went beggaring a year ago for $2 million, now a world-famous gold miner has just paid $10 million for some of it and he gets to keep the best part; the miner orders another round and introduces the hookers as his new wives, which one is the prettiest? he asks; in addition to the "working girls" the fabulously groomed female office workers and engineers of Kunming wait patiently at their own tables – if you like one of them you fill out a ticket identifying your table and inviting them over, and give it to the barkeep, if she likes you she'll drop by, the sociology of a law where Chinese parents are allowed only one son, but daughters were looked at the other way at; all seem to marvel at the ponderous belly of the wide-eyed bewildered round-eye in their midst.

The deep waters of Dianchi Lake lap placidly on nearby shores. This 2,400-year-old city of 1 million folks descended from 26 ethnic minorities is ablaze in neon, and rockin' on this typical Monday night. Close your eyes to the neon, tune out the electronic music, just listen instead to the triumphant boisterous chatter, and you could be in Wallace, Idaho in 1890, Comstock, Nevada in 1847, San Francisco in 1850, or the Klondike or Dawson or Seattle of 1898. There's gold and silver in them there hills! Forget the TSX-V-censored press releases, with their cautions and warnings. China knows that, after 200 years in the hole, they're hot, expletives un-deleted and hyperbole all in.

Technology, silk, gunpowder, spaghetti, ceramics and tea are what China offered the West, and for millennia the Persians, the Romans, the Italians, the Russians and the Brits bore silver over the Silk Road and the oceans to procure them. To stand on these streets is to tread on the cobblestones trod by Alexander the Great, by Caesar's Legions, by Marco Polo. China's love-affair with silver as money pre-dates recorded time, but was well-established before the birth of Christ. By 475 BC silver was informally monetized by China as a rational and unimpeachable means of exchange. The Yuan Dynasty of 1279-1369 AD declared silver to be China's official money, a tradition followed by the ensuing Ming and Qing Dynasties – indeed the tradition of silver money continued uncontaminated until 1935, when the Middle Kingdom became the last civilized culture on the planet to succumb to paper money.

Demand from both sides of the Urals and oceans for China's advanced technologies and precious commodities over the four decades between 1400 AD and 1800 AD was so intense that by 1800, China possessed at least half of the world's silver in European, Asian and even American denominations.

The non-Chinese world howled. Savvy Brits, unable to make their tea, silk and ceramic purchases from China with silver Her Majesty's treasuries no longer contained, did what any great superpower would do: they looted more silver from elsewhere, mainly the New World, and they inveighed war and enslavement against China. Being civilized, the Brits tried enslavement first, shipping tonne upon tonne of Indian-grown opium to China in exchange for tea and silver. Not to be out-done the Yanks jumped in, and the great clipper ship merchant fleets were born. Yes, the homeward-bound clipper ships hauled tea, but they weren't running dead-head to China: their east-bound holds teemed with dope.

Other than silver, dope was the only thing the Western world had left to trade. China and India possessed most of the prevailing technologies and had all the access they needed to natural resources in their provinces; all the West had to offer this new global economy were dope and an advanced military culture.

Its money and its youth threatened, an infuriated China outlawed opium in the early 1800s, first to preserve the mental health of its people, second to preserve the integrity of its silver treasuries, which by 1500 AD had made Asia the major player in what was then arguably the first fully integrated global economy. But mercantilist China, used to thriving on peaceful trade and innovation rather than war and conquest, was at a total loss to confront the Royal Navy, which sailed and later steamed to Chinese ports escorting boatloads of British merchantmen larded with the dreaded drug.

By the 1830's, writes historian Richard Hooker:

"(T)he English had become the major drug-trafficking criminal organization in the world; very few drug cartels of the twentieth century can even touch the England of the early nineteenth century in sheer size of criminality. Growing opium in India, the East India Company shipped tons of opium into Canton which it traded for Chinese manufactured goods and for tea. This trade had produced, quite literally, a country filled with drug addicts, as opium parlors proliferated all throughout China in the early part of the nineteenth century. This trafficking, it should be stressed, was a criminal activity after 1836, but the British traders generously bribed Canton officials in order to keep the opium traffic flowing. The effects on Chinese society were devastating. In fact, there are few periods in Chinese history that approach the early nineteenth century in terms of pure human misery and tragedy. In an effort to stem the tragedy, the imperial government made opium illegal in 1836 and began to aggressively close down the opium dens."

Fault the frustrated Chinese government for actually starting the Opium Wars, if you must. To enforce its prohibition (and its sovereignty) China sent a rag-tag fleet of junks out to intercept a British opium shipment in November 1839. Though the junks were hopeless outgunned, an indignant England dispatched the Royal Navy to exact revenge. For two years the Royal Navy mercilessly hammered China's shore batteries, ultimately prevailing. (The Chinese, it seems, did not embrace Klausewitz's philosophy that war is merely an extension of politics. They naively believed that reason and technology would trump all else.)

Humiliated by this defeat, China signed the Treaty of Nanking in 1842, followed a year later by the British Supplementary Treaty of the Bogue. These provided that the ports of Guangzhou, Jinmen, Fuzhou, Ningbo, and Shanghai should be open to British opium trade and British residence; in addition Hong Kong was ceded to the British. Sensing blood France, Russia and the United States all piled in with similar treaties granting similar access. In essence, the West subdivided the Middle Kingdom.

A sort of 19th Century prototype of the Treaty of Versailles, the Nanking Treaty also called for the scalp of Lin Tse-hsü, the Imperial Commissioner at Canton – he was the author of China's anti-opium policy – and the poor guy was dishonoured and fell on his sword. Maggie Thatcher's return of Hong Kong to Chinese sovereignty wasn't an act of surrender at all; it was merely the return of stolen goods, maybe even an imperial act of contrition, a rare event in this nasty age.

To drive a freeway in Beijing is to discover the Brits' all-told influence in China. What we would call the truckers' lane is the "Carriage-Way." To visit the Forbidden City, the Summer Palace, is to hearken upon gut-wrenching tales of ancient places of prayer and worship sacked and burned by the British and the French. Delightfully transliterated informational signs invariably use British spellings.

The contemporary American historian Andre Gunter Frank, in his seminal book Re-Orient argues passionately for a re-thinking of our Euro-centric, Marxist view towards China, and the rotten things we've done to Asia because we could not trump their technologies. Follow the trade, not the bullets, Frank begs.

Think about it, please. When was the last time China invaded Mexico or Canada? To China, Mexico is as close as Viet Nam. Korea is as close as Canada. How do we look to them?

And what of our embrace of Japan, which, after the Brits were done with China, savaged what was left with a brutality in the 1930s and 1940s that makes Stalin, Hitler and even Mao look like absolute pikers? A Japan far less user-friendly to Americans than China ever has been: I am not making this up. Ask anyone doing trade in both countries. You can own fee-simple property, as an American, in China. You cannot do so in Japan.

At a banquet and drinking party in Lijiang, China, another stop along the Silk Road 9,000 feet above sea level at the foot of the 18,000-foot Jade Dragon Snow Mountain, I am seated next to a Taiwanese businessman who buys silver powder from China, converts it into semiconductors, and sells it back into the mainland. What is to become of you guys? I ask during one of our interminable China-style toasts. What is to become of Taiwan? Are you in danger from these people?

"Shee-yut," he replies in his best American slang. "We need them. They need us. That's friendly. I have many customers here. They have many customers in Taiwan. We do business, not war. You want my advice? Keep an eye on Japan."

Thus goes the talk, from the sea-level elevations of Beijing to the high-mountain wilds of Lijiang. Trade, not dreadnaughts, as the tools of diplomacy. Interesting stuff, considering that two Chinese astronauts have been returned safely to earth even as Brownspan and Rumsfeld are here, trying to bring the Chinese to Jesus – all in the past week.

Earlier this trip, with Zhu Lin Xian, the Magistrate of Louning County, Henan Province, we toast our complicated teenage daughters and the future of silver mining in China. No horseshit about international relations; we have just decided we are friends. He has graciously hosted lunch. Our company giggles politely, but not derisively, at the round-eye's ineptness with chopsticks. We swap packs of cigarettes; mine, American Spirits, his Luo Yan and locally made. He likes mine so much he fetches up his chauffeur to trade a carton for a pack. Smoking Luo Yans this week, I clearly got the better end of the deal. Zhu's smokes are good. A carton of decent ciggies in China sells for about a buck. Yes, wages here suck, a miner earns 1,000 RMB (about $100 US) a month, but he can buy a Bic lighter or a pack of Luo Yans for a dime, and have enough left over to make the strokes on his farm.

Despite the need for an interpreter the conversation flows easily. Xian is a guy you'd like instantly, meeting over a pool game. He was a schoolteacher, now a high-ranking official who can cut you a mining deal and wants only an amenable (and at 1 percent entirely reasonable) tax cut for his county in return for a decent 30-year mine lease. If he signs off, so does the central government. You don't have to "think Chinese" to like Mr. Zhu, or to appreciate the time he has carved from a busy day managing a county of 800,000 people to break bread. China wants, and except for a few brief bad moments, embraces capitalism. Let's get rich, he says. His message to this American, only one of which has ever visited this region before: Please come see us, and meet us. We like you guys; please come see us, because I think you will like us, too.

So I raise my Heineken or Dali high to the celebrating silver miners in Kunming who are stacking beer cans and expending American capital in their efforts, and are sharing, as per contract, the fruits. You can cut a 75-25 deal here if you are a bright Canadian miner, not bad, better than the 50-50 Schlumberger just got for a chemical plant in Beijing.

I toast the gutsy China Man who has left the farm, bet his equity on a ferryboat, to haul mining concentrates from the Ying Mine down the reservoir to the mill on a contract, or to drive his truck on the high-line.

I toast the upstart North American companies who are willing to take a chance on China, even as I toast a China willing to take a chance on us. The British cannon are gone. China's great test will be to see if it can keep these deals. So will be America's.

China is back, and in the long perspective of history, they've not been gone long. Which means silver is back. Which means honest money is back. Which means astuteness in trade, not violence, has a chance to determine the future of the human race. Which means, maybe even within the lifetime of my own daughters, and the daughters of Zhu Lin Xian, an honest America will return. The Pacific will have earned her name.

Folgend die Sicht von Grinninbarret vom GE-Forum auf den HUI:
- eigentlich bestechend.
- auf jeden Fall besser als meine eigene Chart-Rumnudelei.

Nichtsdestotrotz bin ich überzeugt, dass Ginninbarret's Szenario
noch einige Wochen (bis April/Mai 2006) warten muss:

Weiteres folgt im Teil 2:

Hier nun Grinninbarret's HUI:

Hier meine Chart:

- wir haben - noch - nicht das Environment für
Ginninbarret's Szenario. Es fehlt noch ein -Ab-Auf-Ab-Zyklus.
- dann sollte auch der MACD und das Price-Relative-to-Gold
seine Sichtweise voll unterstützen.

Tidbit: sollte innerhalb der ersten beiden November-Wochen
das September-Hoch überschritten werden, dann gilt für
mich Grinninbarret's Szenario.

Dann werde ich wohl auf der -langen- Liste alter Narren einige
Sprossen höher kommen.

Gruss

Germoney

Komischer Name das Szenario, vielleicht hast du Recht Germoney, einmal noch ab, auf, ab, aber ich denke nicht das es bis April 2006 dauern wird. Jetzt ist die Zeit der physischen Kauefer, speziell in Indien.

So wie ich dich verstehe wenn wir ueber 481 USD oder 248 HUI gehen dann ist diese Szenario da und der Weg nach oben frei.

Noch so ein Drama wie Katrina koennten das beschleunigen, ein genaues timing zu machen ist schwierig IMO.

Wenn Greenspan in Rente geht dann aendern sich die Maerkte sicherlich.

Mal schaun was naechste Woche passiert, je frueher wir ein Tidbit haben desto besser.

Da kommen bestimmt noch einige Kurven bis dort hin.

Mfg

XAX

es wird oft verallgemeinert ..

Tatsächlich gib es dort nach der Ernte und während der Heirats-Saison
eine Kaufphase bis Ende September/Anfang Oktober. Dann ist
aber aus religiösen Gründen ein Pause von ca 4-5 Wochen, erst in der
ersten Dezemberwoche geht es dort wieder los.

Sorry, habe gerade keinen indischen Fachmann in der Nähe, es ist mir
ist nur erinnerlich, dass die genauen Daten, religös bedingt, von den
Mondphasen abhängig sind.

Germoney

Ja der Mond spielt auch mit wie wir mittlerweile wissen.
Egal wenn der Goldpreis zu cheap wird, dann wird ueberall eine Party gefeiert. :D.... die Asiaten freuen sich besonders, das ganze Jahr, und bald ist wieder in Februar a new Chinese Year.

Hier ein Report vom Resource Investor:

India gold demand down as festival and wedding season commences?
By Jon Nones
19 Oct 2005 at 02:16 PM

Imports into India are down to a trickle in the peak festival and wedding season, and dealers are scouting for customers, according to Reuters.

Bullion traders in India's leading importing centres of Ahmedabad, Mumbai, Jaipur and Chennai said demand for new gold has dipped to negligible levels.

Chennai imports around 200 kg of gold a day during October and November but this year very little was being shipped in.
The Punjab National Bank, which buys around 100 kg of gold per day in October and November, has not imported any in October.

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