Gold und Silber... Informationen und Vermutungen I

  • ... das neue Tool ist ja Super! Danke SilVisconti für den Tip!!


    Kann natürlich einiges gefälscht werden, auch klar.


    Beim Suchbegriff "North Korea" beispielsweise finden sich eigenartigerweise keine Nachrichten, aber der Chart!? :D


    Egal.


    Habe mal für die "Fab 4" Edelmetalle Google Trends im Vergleich laufen lassen & Auswertung nach Regionen und Sprache anzeigen lassen.


    Und für Platinum und Pallaium nochmal gesondert.


    Wow! Wir deutsch-sprachigen sind aber weit oben, was dieses Thema angeht!!


    Und die Amis stehn auf Platinum, wie sollte es anders sein. :D


    Ich denke, HIghTekki wird seine Feude haben, an dem neuen Tool, - so er es nicht schon lange kennt.



    Gruss,
    gutso



    PPS: und eins muss man mit Vorsicht geniessen: in China ist Google eine Randerscheinung, diese Region kann das Tool also sicher nicht zuverlässig mit abdecken (sonst wären die bei Palladium eventuell auffällig, ist dort nämlich relativ beliebtes Schmuckmetall).
    In China ist die wichtigste Suchmaschine BaiDu.com

  • Vielleicht sollte Herr (btw.: sind Sie eigentlich "Herr" oder nur "Baron"?) GOLD Baron zur 13 wechseln.


    Zum Mitspielen:


    2.2.2007 Vollmond = 13


    Silberpreis bei Vollmond bei 13.


    Goldpreis bei 666.


    Zugabe: Warum will Deutschland jetzt ausgerechnet (sic!) 13 CIA-Agenten anklagen?


    13 Mal 13

    Ich distanziere mich von allen in diesem Forum gemachten Beiträgen, insbesondere von meinen eigenen.

  • Zitat

    Original von Banger
    Mir ist aufgefallen, dass Gold die letzten Tage nicht unter 640 zu kriegen war, trotz mehrerer Versuche. Eigentlich sollten wir die nächsten Tage bis Wochen bis 670 oder ev. sogar bis 750 laufen können. 8o
    Wenn da nicht das Gefühl wäre, dass die "Manipulatoren" noch einen Ass (oder gar mehrere) im Ärmel haben. ?(
    Eigentlich hätte ich etwas mehr Euphorie erwartet bei solchen Kursen, noch vor einiger Zeit währen da einige aus dem Häuschen gewesen. Ich würde das als positives Zeichen für einen weiteren Anstieg werten , oder wie seht ihr das ?


    Das sehe ich genauso: Man wartet seit längerem auf den großen Durchbruch beim Goldpreis. Das tun viele und die, die den Preis manipulieren wissen dies auch. So werden sie den unvermeidlichen Anstieg des Preises so unbemerkt wie möglich durchziehen... und selbst dabei nen ordentlichen Reibach machen.


    Meine Vermutung ist, dass Anstieg des Golpreises in neue Höhen und ein Angriff auf den Iran Hand in Hand gehen werden. Dann wird alles auf einemal uns um die Ohren fliegen und keiner weiß warum bzw. alle sollen denken, der Krieg ist daran schuld!

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    In einem mehr pessimistischen Ausblick von Peter Brimelow in MarketWatch :



    "....Meanwhile, Russell, a long-time, long-term gold bug, doesn't seem to care about contrary opinion on gold. He said Wednesday night, in point-and-figure speak" "Some good news for gold. The latest move is a vertical column of Xs taking gold above two preceding peaks at the 655 level. This gives us a P&F "count" of 775. The next resistance comes in at the 675 box. At 680, gold will be in position to attack the high box at 730."



    http://www.marketwatch.com/new…%2DB902%2D945C6BB5E30E%7D


    "Die Märkte haben nie unrecht, die Menschen oft." Jesse Livermore, 20.Jh.


    "Die Demokratie ist das Paradies der Schreier und Schwätzer, Phraseure, Schmeichler und Schmarotzer, die jedem sachlichen Talent weit mehr den Weg verlegen, als dies in einer anderen Verfassungsform vorkommt." E.von Hartmann


    Dieser Beitrag ist eine persönliche Meinung gem. Art.5 Abs.1 GG und Urteil des BVG 1 BvR 1384/16

  • Was ist mit der Kitco Gold Anzeige los ???


    Seit über einer Stunde zeigt der Chart keine Veränderung und steht beit 659,80, aber der Goldpreis pendelte in der Zeit zwischen 656 und 661.


    Bei Silber spiegelt der Chart die Veränderungen wieder.

  • Meinst das geht hier um ein paar Euro ? :D


    Das habt ihr davon wenn ihr 666 in den Mund nehmt, schwupp von 661 runter auf 656 USD X(


    Wer 13 liebt der soll sich die Nummer an die Haustuer schreiben.


    Habt ihr keine andere Karma mehr als 13 und 666 ?


    Wer an die Kraefte des Mond nicht glaubt der soll sich anders anziehen falls er eines Tages selber ein moon-walker wird.


    Lachts nur....... :D...das ist so gesund !


    Den Witz mit der Klagemauer kennts ja..... :D


    Da stehen dann die ganzen Goldbugs die es vom Bull geschmissen hat und sagen Ja, wenn........ .

  • Ultra-slow Motion Gold Bull


    ...with unchecked monetary growth comes the conditions ripe for corrosive destruction of asset values in a natural retreat. The United States is clever in exporting its inflation to Asia, in an exchange of bad debt paper for finished product goods. This process delays the onset of the gold bull stampede further. The process is akin to directing your sewage pipes into your neighbor's artesian well water source. Nevertheless, a US-Chinese trade war is invited in retaliation, which is due before 2010.


    Gold will be an arbiter asset in ANY trade war. When falling asset prices dictate enhanced monetary inflation, executed via vast liquidity infusions to rescue financial markets, gold will respond in giant steps, like always. ;)


    Global monetary growth is mammoth, a confirmation of my claim that we have already entered the Weimar Modern Era of unbridled money growth.


    http://www.321gold.com/editorials/willie/willie020107.html
    ----------------------------------


    Gold Forecaster - Global Watch


    The changing Global Economy - Russia buys gold for reserves


    ...Of course, in such a higher risk and more volatile climate, the words of the President of the German Bundesbank President, "gold is a useful counter to the swings in the $" will echo in all the corridors of the globe's major banks.


    But this time the word $ will be replaced with "currencies", making the holding of gold a matter of prudence. ;)


    http://www.321gold.com/editori…llips/phillips020107.html

  • "As expected, gold has broken above key resistance at $650 and now appears to be making a beeline towards $700," said Peter Grandich, editor of the Grandich Letter.


    "The fact that it did so in the face of reported talks to sell some IMF gold holdings is yet another indicator of how strong gold really is," he said. On Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund proposed the sale of about 400 metric tons of gold to help fund its activities. The current market value of the gold amounts to $6.6 billion, it said.


    "Having pushed on through the resistance we noted at or near the $650/ounce level, we have added to our outright long positions," said Dennis Gartman, editor of The Gartman Letter early Thursday. "We remain long of gold also relative to crude oil, and despite the massive rally in U.S. equities yesterday, we remain long of gold relative to stocks." ;)




    http://www.marketwatch.com/new…%2DA7EB%2DCBCDA1EA4288%7D

  • Ich wußte noch gar nicht, daß ich eine solche Macht über den Goldpreis habe.


    Also, hier zum Mitmachen:


    660,661,662,663,664,665,667,668,669,700.


    10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,19,20.


    Mal sehen, wie die Wirkung ist. Ich gebe zu: Noch bin ich skeptisch.

    Ich distanziere mich von allen in diesem Forum gemachten Beiträgen, insbesondere von meinen eigenen.

  • mir scheint, daß zuviele zu bullisch dzt. sind. Mir ist das schon etwas verdächtig, denn der IMF hat noch ein paar tausend Tonnen Gold liegen und der IMF wird nicht zögern diese auf den Markt zu schmeissen, wenn es nur den Buddies von Wolfowitz dient. Aber möglicherweise ist das Gold des IMF ja auch schon verliehen ?( - unter Umständen steuern wir gerade auf einen Goldsqueeze zu und Eichelburg hatte Recht mit 50K$/Unze?


    Ich seh' das ganze mit einem lachenden und einem weinendem Auge. Ich freu mich wenn der POG steigt, aber ich freu' mich dzt. noch wenn er fällt, denn ich hätte noch einiges zum Nachladen auf der Kante.


    na, mal sehen, ob es nun soweit ist...

  • Ich eile Dir zu Hilfe.
    habe gerade 77 Gramm Knallsilber in allen sieben Ecken meiner Wohnung
    verteilt ( häää?) egal!
    Hauptsache es hilft...


    (Hoffentlich liest das Knallsilber nicht)
    dann sage ich, er hätte eine Diät gemacht

  • nodollar - etwas Platz ist noch


    die Sentiment-Daten sagen zur Zeit folgendes: von gestern


    Stimmungserhebung unter US-Bond-, Rohöl-, Euro-, Yen-, Gold-, Silber-, Rohöl- und S&P500-Beratern.


    aussagekräftig in Übertreibungsphasen
    Optimismuswert oberhalb 70 Prozent signalisiert Überhitzungsgefahr
    Werte unter 30 Prozent lassen dafür auf eine Bodenbildung hoffen.



    Gold: Optimismus aktuell bei 67 Prozent nach 52 Prozent in der Vorwoche.
    Jahreshoch 2005: 84 Prozent am 07.12.2005.
    Jahrestief 2005: 27 Prozent am 09.02.2005.


    Jahreshoch 2006: 83 Prozent am 19.04.2006.
    Jahrestief 2006: 32 Prozent am 20.09.2006



  • Hast du dazu eine Quelle?

  • Zitat

    Original von nodollar
    (...)
    Wolfowitz
    (...)


    Gutes Stichwort!


    Thema Bilderberger, vorsicht, verärgerte Gallenkranke weghören. :D
    (Zumindest in der ersten Hälfte des Postings!)


    Wolfowitz war, wie auch die vielen türkischen Teilnehmer der Bilderberger Session 2006 vermuten liessen, - vor ein paar Tagen in der Türkei.


    Zufall natürlich.
    Es ging nur um Weltbank-Kredite an die Türkei.
    (Natürlich nicht um die neue. geplante US-Erdölpipeline aus Kasachstan, siehe entsprechende Pressemeldungen gleichzeitig.)


    Folgendes hat sich aber, - ungeplant zugetragen.
    Um eine gewisse kulturelle Neugier zu heucheln, musste natürlich eine Moschee betreten werden.
    Problem: man sollte vorher überlegen, was man anzieht. ...
    Insbesondere, wenn man ausnahmsweise seine Schuhe dazu ausziehen muss, - als einer der am reichhaltigsten bezahlten Beamten der Welt.


    Nicht geschehen.
    Stattdessen ein paar schöne Fotos.


    Ein Weltbankchef.
    Und die ganze Welt lacht!


    Here we go!



    Grüsse,
    gutso


    PPS: Quelle 1, Quelle 2, Quelle 3, ... uvm.

  • China's Concerns in 2007: Fears of a Perfect Storm


    By Rodger Baker


    The year 2007 is an important one for China's leadership. At the National People's Congress (NPC) session in March, the government is likely to enact legislation equalizing the status of private property with state property and addressing the imbalance in tax rates between foreign and domestic businesses -- both moves designed to encourage domestic Chinese entrepreneurship. In the fall, the Communist Party of China (CPC) will meet for its Congress -- bringing changes to the Politburo, stacking the political deck with supporters of President Hu Jintao and providing an early glimpse of the next-generation leadership slated to take power in 2012. Lastly, this is the final year of preparations for the symbolically important summer Olympics, which Beijing will host in 2008.


    As the regime takes on these social and economic challenges and lays the groundwork for a smooth continuation of power for the next half-decade, there is a core concern among China's top leaders, more acute for 2007 than in many other years: Taiwan. Parliamentary elections will take place there this year -- the final year of President Chen Shui-bian's second term. The Chinese are also very much aware of the political shift in Washington and the window of time until the U.S. presidential elections in 2008. These factors, along with Beijing's apparent obsession with maintaining stability and a positive public image ahead of the Olympics, are combining to create a perfect storm of conditions that, from Beijing's perspective, signal Taiwan will take the final political step of declaring independence in 2007.


    To fully grasp the implications of this perspective -- and how China's fears are likely to drive its actions -- it is useful to consider the state of affairs that long has been agreed upon by mainland China, Taiwan and the United States.


    Under the present arrangement, China has the seat at the United Nations and Taiwan is viewed officially as merely an "economic" area. In every realistic sense, Taiwan conducts its economic, political and social affairs as a sovereign state -- though of course, China exerts its own influence and money in order to limit the number of nations that recognize the island diplomatically as an independent state. Everyone else just plays along -- paying lip service to mainland China's position while carrying out diplomatic and economic relations with Taiwan in "semi-official" ways. So long as China doesn't invade or physically reclaim Taiwan and Taipei doesn't formally declare independence, an uneasy half-truth is perpetuated, and both sides go about their business.


    By its own calculus, China cannot afford to lose Taiwan to a formal independence move. The social and political structure of mainland China -- not to mention the legitimacy of the CPC -- are still, to a great degree, predicated on actively maintaining the myth that Taiwan is a part of China. And while Beijing and the international media have moved away from using the overt and loaded appellation of "breakaway province" to describe Taiwan, a formal declaration of independence -- unless met with a swift military response -- would significantly weaken the regime.


    At the same time, Beijing does not want to undertake military action against Taiwan. For one thing, while China might have the military power to hurt Taiwan badly, it is not capable of the kind of sustained operation that would be required to invade and forcibly reunify Taiwan. Second, any such invasion of Taiwan would draw in the United States and possibly Japan -- neither of which, for strategic and geographic reasons, can allow China to reclaim Taiwan and thus project power into the midst of the South China Sea and its vital sea-lanes. In general, the United States has sought to keep separatist sentiments in Taiwan contained: It offers assistance and military sales to Taiwan on the condition that Taipei will not force the independence issue and draw the United States into a war with China.


    This trilateral relationship has been frequently strained and tested, most noticeably (in recent times) with the lead-up to Taiwan's 1996 elections. At that time, Beijing carried out missile tests in the Taiwan Strait, and the United States sent two carrier battle groups into the area to keep the two sides from tangling. During the past decade, though, the balance has been maintained primarily through political means: Washington carefully controls Chen's "instigations" through comments by government officials, diplomats and others; through selective permission (or denial) of flight stopovers in the United States; and through economic and political dialogue with Beijing.


    Since Sept. 11, 2001, the United States has been particularly keen on keeping Chen under control, taxed as it has been with U.S. military forces caught up in conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq and the emerging nuclear crises in North Korea and Iran. During this time, Washington has adopted a more cooperative track with China, pushing the "responsible stakeholder" dialogue as a way to engage Beijing and keep tensions down. Though the Defense Department frequently has sought to stir up fears of the "China threat" and Congress has pursued economic action related to the Chinese trade imbalance and currency rates, the general tenor of relations between Beijing and Washington has been smooth for the past five years.


    Correctly or otherwise, however, Beijing now sees this era as potentially coming to an end -- and Taiwan as being at the center of the shift. On Jan. 17, in comments that were given substantial play in the Chinese press, Yang Yi -- a spokesman for the State Council's Taiwan Affairs Office -- said 2007 is a crucial year for opposing Taiwanese secessionist activities, and warned that Taipei might seek "de jure independence." Yang's comments were not all that unusual: Chinese officials, particularly those in the Taiwan Affairs Office, frequently caution against Taiwanese independence moves, and Beijing was particularly provoked this month over an overnight stopover Chen made in San Francisco on Jan. 8. Beijing viewed this as an intentional snub on Washington's part and as a major shift in the U.S. attitude from less than a year ago, when the United States denied Chen permission for a similar stopover.


    From Beijing's standpoint, there are three situations that could come together this year to herald a crisis on the Taiwan front.


    The Shift in Washington


    First, the leadership in Beijing is extremely concerned that the shift from Republican to Democratic control in the U.S. Congress could spell the beginning of the end of the current round of rapprochement in Sino-U.S. relations. Though Beijing views the Republicans as being hawkish on the military front (and as the key voices in the "China threat" line of argument in the United States), it also sees this movement as having been subsumed by the Republican White House, which has advocated a more balanced and consultative approach to Chinese relations.


    There are no such expectations of the Democratic Congress.


    China now anticipates a move to push economic and financial actions against China through Congress. It is the Democratic Party that is seen as the most motivated to attack the established economic and business relationships between the two powers. With the Democrats in charge of the legislature and the popularity of the Bush administration fading, Beijing sees little that would stop Congress from becoming more aggressive in its moves to punish or contain China.


    A related concern, tied to the extended U.S. war in Iraq, then begins to emerge. Again, peering through the Chinese lens, the war is unpopular among Americans, and the Democrats -- positioning themselves for presidential elections next year -- will seek to reduce the U.S. presence in Iraq. However, they cannot afford to look dovish. To demonstrate that the party is strong on U.S. national security, and to gain support from the Pentagon, the Democrats could shift attention to issues like North Korea and China. China's military restructuring and its recent space experiments are perfect fodder for Democratic presidential hopefuls seeking to point out the failures of a presidency that, it will be argued, has gotten the United States tied down in an interminable war in Iraq and missed the "real" threats on the horizon, such as China.


    That concern by itself would be manageable for Beijing. After all, the regime has balanced competing pressures from the United States before. The political shift and cycles in Washington could complicate matters at the CPC Congress and the NPC session next year (where a new vice president is likely to be named), but this does not constitute a crisis. However, if Taiwan generates significant pressure this year as well, the U.S. Congress could compound that pressure by giving tacit or overt support to the island's moves toward independence.


    Taiwan: Chen Presses Ahead


    This is Chen's final full year in office. Presidential elections are scheduled for March 2008, and Chen, having already served two terms, will not be eligible to run again. China sees Chen -- a member of the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) (the "pro-independence" party in Taiwan) -- as an ideologue; someone who will do everything in his power (and maybe a little beyond his power, as constitutional amendments in 2005 demonstrated) to bring about Taiwanese independence. And his time is running out.


    Chen already has spearheaded one round of constitutional revisions in Taiwan, having added the right of referendum to the document in 2005. That is something Beijing fears will pave the way for a popular vote on independence in Taiwan. Chen also has pushed for use of the name "Taiwan" to be used on Taiwanese passports, instead of the "Republic of China" nomenclature preferred by Beijing. (The existing terminology pays at least historical homage to the Taiwanese government's original claim to legitimacy as the government of all of China -- and this keeps the "one China" illusion alive).


    At this point, Chen is continuing with moves to create a "Taiwan identity," which ultimately would smooth the path toward independence.


    First, he is pressing with renewed vigor for Taiwan to gain a seat of its own at the United Nations -- or, at minimum, to have all of the island's positions there officially placed under the name "Taiwan." Both changes would qualify as steps away from the status quo and toward a more formal recognition of Taiwan's sovereignty from mainland China. This, by the way, is both the perception of the leadership in Beijing and the way Chen himself publicly characterizes the measures.


    Chen is also pushing for additional constitutional reform in 2007. Under the changes passed in 2005, any new constitutional reform would need approval both from parliament and, by referendum, from Taiwanese citizens.


    Though there is little concrete thus far in Chen's proposals for additional changes, he has played up one key issue -- redefining the territory of Taiwan. According to Article 4 of the Taiwanese Constitution, "The territory of the Republic of China within its existing national boundaries shall not be altered except by a resolution of the National Assembly."


    The definition of this territory, however, is interpreted, as per the preamble to the constitution, as the territory of the Republic of China founded by Sun Yat Sen -- a territory that, in the 1936 draft constitution, included mainland China and Mongolia but not Taiwan, which was still a possession of Japan. This legal dilemma has been reviewed by the Taiwanese Supreme Court, which deemed the definition of territory a political concern and refrained from determining exactly what the "existing national boundaries" actually were.


    Now, it is obvious that the current Republic of China/Taiwan territories are limited to Taiwan and a few additional islands; Taipei no longer makes much claim to mainland China or Mongolia. Thus, Chen's attempts to "clarify" the boundary definitions in the constitution signal another step toward a more formal independence, laying the groundwork for recognition of Taiwan as it truly exists. From Beijing's perspective, this would eradicate the last vestiges of a link between the sovereignty of Taiwan and the sovereignty of the People's Republic.


    If Chen is to succeed in his quest for constitutional change, he must move quickly. Parliamentary elections are due in Taiwan in December, and the Kuomintang Party (KMT) and People First Party have recovered from their differences to field a joint set of candidates, who will have the upper hand over Chen's DPP. The opposition parties already have a slight lead in parliament, making any constitutional change difficult at best -- but then, Chen managed to pass reforms against the wishes of the KMT in 2005, and he could pull it off again.


    Self-Generated Pressure: The Olympics


    There is one more element that causes Beijing to view Chen as such a dangerous player in 2007: the Olympics. The Chinese leadership has spent years preparing for the big show, and is doing everything in its power to portray China as a major modern nation. The 2008 Olympics will be a venue for showcasing China's modern and global role, and for sweeping away any lingering stigma from the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident (which still haunts China -- for instance, by restricting its access to the European arms market). Beijing wants to use the Olympics to bring China more fully into the world political and security sphere.


    But this near-obsession with the Olympics -- and with fostering a sense of stability to go with it -- is an Achilles' heel for Beijing. During this period, Chen might perceive China as being less decisive or less likely to respond militarily to incremental moves toward Taiwanese independence. As Beijing sees it, Chen will capitalize on China's overwhelming desire to maintain its image and make his move while Beijing's hands are tied. According to the same logic, the new U.S. Congress might signal that it, too, supports -- or at least doesn't oppose -- Chen if he should take action now.


    Beijing's concern about an attempt by Taipei and Washington to exploit the opportunities of 2007 already has begun to play out in Chinese actions -- specifically with the test earlier this month of an anti-satellite system. Chinese leaders could have carried out such a test at a different time in order to avoid stirring trouble. They didn't. They conducted the test and then, initially, simply winked when Washington called them out -- before finally admitting to it outright and asking no forgiveness. A China deeply concerned about maintaining a nonthreatening image and smooth relations with Washington in the run-up to the Olympics would not behave in that manner.


    The Implications


    Beijing's choice of actions sends a few very clear messages to Washington and Taipei. First, the regime is signaling that it would be a miscalculation to think the Olympics outweigh China's strategic interests. Beijing wants the Olympics to be a success that substantially alters global opinion of China, but this is not a goal to be achieved at the expense of the state and the party. Second, it has signaled that Taiwan should not be so quick to rely on U.S. naval intervention if the cross-Strait situation deteriorates rapidly. Knocking out the satellite, combined with moving new J-10 fighters to the Taiwan Strait area and tailing a U.S. carrier strike group with a Chinese submarine last year, constitutes a message to the United States that intervention over Taiwan might not be as easy or painless as it was in 1995-1996. This, then, is supposed to convince Washington that it needs to put a little tighter leash on Chen and control his "separatist tendencies."


    The political and military stakes are high. While the Chinese military demonstrations are certainly impressive, there are those within the U.S. defense and political establishment who argue that countering China is something better done earlier than later, after Beijing has a chance to build up a more substantial and technologically advanced military force. Further, with China facing its own political sensitivities this year -- as the next-generation leadership is selected and economic and social stresses climb -- Beijing is perhaps at a point of maximum vulnerability, particularly with the added economic burden and international image issues related to the Olympics.


    By default or design, 2007 is shaping up to be a very tense year for the China-Taiwan-U.S. relationship.

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