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12. Juli 2026, 15:23
POG Betrachtung:
nicht mehr optimal - durchwachsen
hmm, habe mich nicht zurückhalten können,
habe in den letzten Tagen etwas Kasse (20%) gemacht und werde
dies auch bis Ende November so beibehalten.
Gold 350 USD ???
- erst wieder, nachdem beim $ hinten eine Null gestrichen wurde!!
Ich habe alle deine Postings mal rückwärtig durchgelesen.
Du kommst mir vor, wie jemand, der sich in der Blase am
sogenannten "Neuen Markt" - besser "Neues Spielkasino",
ganz fürchterlich die Finger verbrannt hat und deshalb
überall Blasen hat - und auch weitere - spekulative - Blasen befürchtet.
Wenn du nicht die Unterschiede zwischen Märkten, welche
15 Jahre gut gelaufen sind (war von '83 bis '98 im "SM" - Markt,
hatte nie Grund es zu bereuen, hatte aber auch nie Grund zu
bereuen, frühzeitig auszusteigen) und grundlegenden
Paradigmenwechseln erkennen kannst, dann wirst du immer
zu skeptisch - in der Früphase eines neuen Trendes sein -
zunehmend von deinem anfänglichen Urteil abkehren - und
sehr spät investieren - und zu spät am Tische sitzen - und zu
spät den Tisch verlassen - und letztendlich die Zeche bezahlen.
"Die Börse ist wie eine billige Kneipe, wer zuletzt am Tisch sitzt,
bezahlt die ganze Zeche".
Du solltest daher merken, dass es erst früh am Tisch ist -
und es werden keine Einladungen vergeben!
Germoney
p.s. : Ein zusätzlicher Grund - und Indikator - war '98, dass meine
jüngste Schwester, welche sich nie für Aktien interessiert hatte,
erst spät in Telekom-Aktien investierte. Das war für mich das -
ultimative - Alarmzeichen.
'02 habe ich dann mal meiner jüngsten Schwester gegenüber ein
Investment in Gold&Silber erwähnt. Anwort: "Ich habe schon soviel
Geld an den Telekom-Aktien verloren, und du willst, dass ich in Gold
und Silber investiere???"
Daher betrachte ich Sie als - perfekten - Indikator. Wenn Sie in Gold
& Silber geht, gehe ich raus. Ich schätze, das wird aber erst in einigen
Jahren sein, 2009 ++++
Germoney
Monday, October 17, 2005, 2:49:00 PM EST
Dr. Martin Murenbeeld on Gold
Author: Jim Sinclair
Dear Friends,
Dr. Martin Murenbeeld is one of the world’s foremost authorities on gold. His recent presentation at the Denver Gold Forum provides valuable insights into the gold market and the factors that will impact gold’s price in the future. His fluid presentation style and his method of presenting facts in a very understandable and non-academic fashion have made him a popular speaker at gold conferences throughout North America.
M. Murenbeeld & Associates Inc. is a Dundee Wealth Management company that provides independent analysis and advice on economic and financial developments, with special emphasis on North American interest rate and currency market trends – and on trends in the gold market. Dr. Murenbeeld is Chief Economist of the Dundee Wealth Management Group.
Please click on the following link to view Dr. Murenbeeld's presentation in PDF format.
ZitatOriginal von germoney
Wenn Sie in Gold
& Silber geht, gehe ich raus. Ich schätze, das wird aber erst in einigen
Jahren sein, 2009 ++++
Ähnliches schilderte uns liberty kürzlich hier.
Auch ich kann dies aus dem Verwandtenkreis bestätigen.
Bis auf meinen ältesten Sohn bin ich der Rufer in der Wüste.
M.E. kann die Gold-Superhausse uU.bis 2012 laufen.
Grüsse
Hi Jungs
Auch ich kann ähnliches aus meinem Freundeskreis berichten. An Infinion sich die Finger verbrannt, und er zittert heute noch. ![]()
Ggruß Jürgen
Moin,
Ich bin schon seit ca 3 Jahren in Gold und Silber investiert. Meine Geschwister und Freunde (sogar mein Vater) sahen mir immer kritisch über die Schulter. Von einigen wurde ich gar ausgelacht.
Aber mittlerweile dreht sich das Bild. Ein Freund hat sich jetzt Krügerrand gekauft. Und mein Bruder geht mit 20 % in Goldminen-Fonds. Außerdem hört man mir ohne ein müdes Lächeln zu...
Das alles kostet viel Überzeugungsarbeit, viele Ausdrucke aus den Kolumnen etc. , Ich möchte ganz einfach so viele Freunde und Bekannte wie möglich noch rechtzeitig auf die derzeitige Situation aufmerksam machen. Die Masse der Bevölkerung realisiert gar nicht, dass die Weltwirtschaft auf des Messers Schneide steht und es jederzeit zu einem Crash kommen kann. Hier ist m.E. noch viel Aufklärung von Nöten.
Also.. nicht müde werden und zumindest die Leute, die Euch was bedeuten, weiter "nerven"
Ach übrigens, ich bin jetzt bald zu 100 % in Gold/Silber etc. Ich habe in letzter Konsequenz meine Lebensversicherungen gekündigt und werde das frei werdende Kapital umschichten.
Gruß Carlos
Hallo Carlos,
das mit der Lebensversicherung habe ich mich noch nicht "getraut".
Eigentlich ist das ein gutes Beispiel für die Irrationalität von anlegern. Ich bin fest davon überzeugt, daß es der richtige Schritt wäre, schrecke aber dennoch davor zurück.
Ist schon komisch.
Viele Grüße
liberty
Noch mehrere solche Ereignisse,und die Crimex hats schwer! ![]()
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Gold consumption in India up 50% in H1/05; 508 tonnes ‘consumed’ in H1 despite inflation woes
NEW DELHI (AFP): Indian households are on a record gold-buying spree as oil price-driven inflation threatens to wipe out savings from rising incomes in one of the world’s fastest-growing economies. Gold consumption in India, the world’s largest market for the precious metal, has shot up by 50 per cent in the first half of the year to 508 tonnes, only a little less than the 642 tonnes consumed during the whole of last year, the World Gold Council said. The price of gold surged to an all-time high of 6,990 rupees ($156) per 10 grammes ($442 an ounce) in India this week, though it dropped marginally later. However, the prices are likely to start climbing once again with the wedding and festival season starting among the population of 1.1 billion, brokers said. “There is a new found confidence in gold. Whoever has invested in gold, has made extra money. People are also turning to it as a hedge against the high oil prices,” said Jatin Mehta, head of gold trading firm Suraaj.
Stoking
Two successive hikes in petrol prices since June is stoking India’s inflation rate, which crept above four per cent in the week ended Oct 1. India’s central bank has predicted inflation will range between 5.0 to 5.5 per cent this fiscal year. The income of middle class Indian families has been going up with the economy growing at a robust seven to eight per cent, but putting their savings in banks is yielding little as the interest rate of four to five per cent is barely on par with the inflation rate. Traders said the price of gold was likely to rise another five to 10 per cent by the year-end as more and more people invest their savings and demand for jewellery soars during the October to February festival and marriage season. The yellow metal rose to a new near-18-year high in Europe on Monday and was seen hitting the next big level of around $480-500 an ounce amid buying by funds over inflation worries.
“The linkages between international prices and Indian gold are very close. The demand in India is also because of increasing income levels, due to the rising economic growth rate,” said Sanjeev Agarwal, head of the Indian office of World Gold Council. India’s economy expanded 8.1 per cent in the three months to June, compared to 6.9 per cent over the last financial year ended March. Indian consumers said their decision to buy was not just influenced by economic factors, but traditional preference for gold on special occasions. “I am buying for my daughter’s marriage. Gold prices have risen, but they will keep on rising. And one really has no choice but to buy gold when an occasion like marriage is happening in the family,” said Deepa Ray, a housewife, visiting a New Delhi jewellery shop. Mehta said a large portion of the buying demand was coming from smaller Indian cities and towns, where people are not comfortable investing in stock markets, mutual funds or government saving instruments.
The buying trend in gold has seen a subtle shift in preference for lighter and different designs of jewellery so that they can be worn on various occasions and not just marriage, industry officials said. “Indian women are looking for lighter-weight jewellery. They wear it after asking themselves where I am going, what I am doing,” said Agarwal. “But their preference for the metal remains intact.” He said the rise in prices was also because the gold supply had remained at the same level in the domestic market although consumer demand has shot up. “People are holding on to their stocks of gold. They don’t want to release them now as the maximum buying in the metal takes place between September to January. Therefore, they expect prices to rise in the months ahead,” said Sanjay Kothari, a leading trader. Traders said some of the demand in the market is coming from international customers in United States and Middle East, where Indian-made jewellery is finding greater acceptance as quality improves.
Erstaunlich, der Dollar hat es geschafft ueber die 90 zu klettern.
Nicht gut fuer Gold und Silber.
Hier ein Ausschnitt aus „Le Metropole Cafe“ von gestern. Während alle die Entwicklungen bei GE, GR., FORD und Fannie Mae beobachten und Probleme im Derivativen Markt erwarten, könnte Refco für einen Skandal sorgen, der die Kettenreaktion auslöst. Es könnte der Eisberg sein, der die Titanic zum Sinken bringt.
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The AM Fix came in at $472.35, up $3.15 over the Comex close. Silver was pegged at $7.86, up 6 cents. What was most intriguing was to see this sort of strength in light of the dollar’s simultaneous strength. The early going has the euro down .50 and the yen at multi-year lows. While way too early to ascertain yet, this price action gives more credence to what was brought to your attention in the MIDAS Saturday Night Special commentary. The developing lease problems are in the cash gold market (with silver smoldering) and should be reflected in London first.
This could be another reason the Saudis do not want to store their physical silver in London. They probably feel it won’t be there when they want to get it, or don’t trust the banks which might "say" they are keeping it in storage for them.
The "Deep Throat" information sent my way on Saturday was specifically related to a growing gold lease rate problem – ILLEGAL gold leases. The bullion banks doing the leases cannot oblige those who are now calling for their gold, which is one of the reasons gold has been acting the way it has. It was my guess that silver would lead the way because once word spread re the demise of various illegal gold leasing schemes, the silver market would go nuts because the silver shorts should be in worse shape than the gold shorts.
For gold to hold the way it did and come back Thursday/Friday, the extraordinary close on silver on Friday, and today’s early gold surge are strong indications that not only is "Deep Throat" right on, but so is GATA. For gold to move like this on its own (the US stock market and the dollar are up today) suggests something is in play in the bullion market which cannot, and is not, explained by the gold pundits, and certainly not Planet Wall Street.
This is the reason MIDAS keeps pounding the table over GATA’s understanding the price of gold could rally $100 per ounce and the dollar do nothing. You could have sold ice to the Eskimos before selling that line of rationale a year ago. The purpose of emphasizing this "dead on" GATA assessment of the gold market is for credibility purposes of what lies ahead … to build Café member confidence of where the price of gold is going and why.
The bottom line is the bullion/central banks are short some 12,000 to 16,000 tonnes of gold and cannot get it back. If only a few parties call for their gold (Deep Throat says this is underway to some degree), the gold market will go into convulsions … even if only 5% to 10% of this amount is asked for as the months and years go by. The gold market is already in a pronounced supply/demand deficit. The only way The Gold Cartel can keep the price from exploding is to add clandestine central bank gold via the bullion banks, NOT TAKE IT AWAY from the market.
This does not mean the market has to explode immediately. The authorities, players involved in the leases and Gold Cartel are going to use every means possible to keep the gold price rise an orderly one. You can count on that. They might be able to do so in the short-term. However, they are fighting a losing battle as the time goes on. The die is cast. The Gold Cartel and other major shorts, especially the ones who have ILLEGALLY leased out bullion, are in the deepest of trouble. Should the US financial markets find themselves battered, the problem will worsen for The Gold Cartel and shorts who have their gold out on loan. This is when we get our Commercial Signal Failure and the gold derivatives neutron bomb goes off. Could be sooner, could be later … it’s coming.
The CFTC ought to be shut down. There is no reason for its existence. As a result of the Refco flap, they are making noises how diligent they are. Horse manure!
Once again gold made its surging high for the entire trading session within the first 45 minutes to an hour. No free market trades like that time and time again. Not only that, the $6 Rule was invoked for the umpteenth time ($6.30 to be exact). That was it. The Gold Cartel put gold in lockdown mode for the rest of the day on Comex. As soon as it went up $6 and change, GATA’s Chris Powell and Wistar Holt both sent me emails: "That’s it, limit up, $6 Rule."
Thus The Gold Cartel continues to manage a gold retreat, and in doing so, their inevitable defeat into disgrace.
As also happens so often, when The Gold Cartel is having trouble containing gold, they sit all over silver. Same thing today. After Friday’s dramatic surge, silver was not allowed to keep its head above water to any significant degree. If MIDAS is right, that will not stand for long.
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@ Aladin,
der Dollar steigt nur, weil wg. höherer Inflationsängste neue Zinsschritte erwartet werden. Da beginnt bei den meisten Finanzspekulanten der alte Mechanismus. Höhere Zinsen = die Anlage in Dollar wird lohnenswerter.
Die Phase, dass der Dollar aufgrund von den uns allen bekannten strukturellen Problemen den Bach runter geht, werden wir auch noch erleben. M.E. füher als später.
Ich denke, wir befinden uns bei den Edelmetallen am Anfang der so viel beschriebenen Phase 2. Den Edelmetallen wird demzufolge ein steigender Dollar nicht allzuviel ausmachen, sie werden ihre Aufgabe als Inflationsbarometer erfüllen.
und eben noch angefügt die ausführlichere Meldung:
US-Erzeugerpreise weisen auf anziehende Inflation hin
Laut dem US-Arbeitsministerium ist in den USA im September der Erzeugerpreis-Index gegenüber dem Vormonat um 1,9 Prozent gestiegen. Dies stellt den größten Sprung seit 31 Jahren dar. Volkswirte rechneten hingegen einem Anstieg von lediglich 1,1 Prozent. Als Verantwortungsträger des Preisauftriebs zeichnete sich ein 7,1%iger Energiepreiszuwachs. Abzüglich der volatilen Nahrungs-und Energiepreise stellte sich in der Kernrate ein 0,3%iger Anstieg ein. Hier gingen die Experten von einem Anstieg von 0,2 Prozent aus.
Der Markt reagiert,wie üblich, leicht neurotisch.
Denkbare Zinsschritte sind natürlich kontraproduktiv für die eh gebeutelte Industrie,
geschweige Häuslebauer in den USA.
Greenspin und Konsorten lernen eben nicht hinzu mE.
Grüsse
Diese extrem anziehende Inflation beweist, daß der FED das Heft aus der Hand geglitten ist.
Die Entwicklung ist so grundsätzlich eindeutig positiv für die Edelmetalle! ![]()
Grüsse
ZitatOriginal von Vanescent
The bottom line is the bullion/central banks are short some 12,000 to 16,000 tonnes of gold and cannot get it back. If only a few parties call for their gold (Deep Throat says this is underway to some degree), the gold market will go into convulsions … even if only 5% to 10% of this amount is asked for as the months and years go by. The gold market is already in a pronounced supply/demand deficit. The only way The Gold Cartel can keep the price from exploding is to add clandestine central bank gold via the bullion banks, NOT TAKE IT AWAY from the market.
This does not mean the market has to explode immediately. The authorities, players involved in the leases and Gold Cartel are going to use every means possible to keep the gold price rise an orderly one.
Nur mal so nebenbei erwähnt,aus Metropole Cafe.
Aber da liegt natürlich ein fetter Hase im Pfeffer! ![]()
Clandestine=heimlich,was anders sonst.Cabals!! ![]()
Grüsse
That was the week that was
Gold did so well this week, rising to hit over €400 at its peak and over $480 at its peak in the U.S. currency. But then the inevitable question had to be asked, would I buy gold at these levels? On a straight run up such as we've just seen, way down from below $450, it would take a brave man to buy it without a consolidation before it assaulted the $500 level. Then good sense kicked in, taking it back down to $466. Right now it is trying to recover over $470. Funds wisely took good profits after a good run and calmed a market worried that they were too top heavy for the good of the market. We expect the consolidation to continue until it has gathered sufficient confidence that it is going to stay at these levels and has the strength to overcome $500. Before that it should see lower levels, but not significantly lower in our opinion. It is all a matter of perception. It's reaching this level was expected and was accompanied all the way up by physical demand from the Middle to the Far East, with India standing back a little, despite the festival season. As you know, the Indians don't chase prices, but wait until they are sure it has laid a foundation price. It is a quicker process in festival season, but still has to be done. So here we are, in a consolidation phase for a while. But the news out there is such that gold is receiving more and more interest and it will continue to grow alongside growing uncertainty and trepidation at the future of inflation, the state of the U.S. economy and increasing structural global pressures. These are sufficiently strong fundamentals to keep this gold market in a bull phase for years to come, not just months.
Please note the progress gold made in the €. From €316 earlier this year to cross €400. This is denotes not just a price rise of 20% inside a year, which is not so dramatic, but it represents the transition of gold from a "barberous relic" to a "currency shadowing the €" to a separate "currency" as an alternative to paper currency. Psychologically this is a major evolution of gold back to a position it has not held for 20 years.
In the $, gold is doing the same but not nearly as spectacularly. Bear in mind many observers still see gold moving inversely to the $. Not that many observers recognise the extent of the evolution, to our surprise. But it has happened. Indeed, U.S. Investors will continue to believe that gold inversely reflects the state of the U.S. economy and the $. It is our belief that this is a consideration as it reflects part of the path of the global economy, but in itself it is a major factor primarily in the minds of U.S. Investors. By the same token the € price of gold is a growing factor in the minds of European Investors, as the Rupee price of gold is in the minds of the Indian Investors, the Rand price of gold is in the minds of the South African Gold Producers.......
COMMON COPPER TO TRIPLE - & SILVER?
Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com
Over the span of recorded history, much gold, copper and silver have been mined. In the case of gold, however, almost all of it is either readily available, stored in central bank vaults, or at least visible, as in jewelry. In the case of copper and silver however, most above-ground supplies have been consumed in commercial or industrial applications, with relatively little being recycled.
Faced with this situation, copper, one of the earthýs most common metals, has nonetheless tripled in price during the past few years. Silver, much less common, but rapidly being ýused upý in increasingly large amounts by a ravenous industrial juggernaut of global proportions, has less than doubled from its 2001 lows. Ted Butler, writing on investmentrarities.com thinks thatýs pretty amazing, and has built the case that above-ground supplies of silver substantially less than gold, and its price is poised for a very large increase in the reasonably near future. Counters to his argument have been both few and tepid. He writes, ýI have been anticipating any serious challenge to my statement, and none have been forthcoming. ý I make the point that silver is priced too low compared to gold, not that gold is priced too high.ý
He continues, ýThe pace of silver consumption is accelerating. ý After using 30 billion ounces in the last 60 years, present patterns of growth suggest that we will use that same amount in only the next 30 years, double the previous rate of consumption. ý Hereýs the problem. We are still consuming more silver than we mine, but we donýt have 10 billion ounces in inventory anymore to subsidize the shortfall in production. We would be lucky if we have 1 billon ounces left above ground."
And he adds, ýThat remaining silver is largely in private hands, not bureaucratic hands, and only sharply higher prices will pry it free. In addition, statistics suggest that increased mining production will run into cost constraints and resource limitations. That means big and growing demand colliding with inventory and production constraints. Thatýs a powerful long-term investment formula, if one ever existed. Itýs a whole new ball game for silver; a game thatýs just beginning.ý -DS
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