Thai Guru's Gold und Silber ... (Informationen und Vermutungen)
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Ja ist mir aufgefallen,ich habe auch keine Lust mehr zu den Thema Troll zu sagen, es ist Schnee von gestern fuer mich, wir sind alle davon sehr muede.
5 Monate hatten wir alle Urlaub und Spass ohne ""Troll Attacken"", schade das es nun wieder los geht.
Mal schaun wie das hier weiter geht, ich hoffe wir halten das Forum sauber und interessant zum lesen, einen Kindergarten brauchen wir nicht hier.
Aber Goldy sollte es nun kapiert haben, hast du doch Goldy, oder ???
Du bist eben unser negativ Barometer bzw. Guru und gibst uns die dementspechenden Argumente, Beweise, Ideen und Ratschlaege die wir in unserer Meinung sowie Entscheidungen beruecksichtigen koennen oder nicht.
Ausserdem gibt es Verhaltensregeln des Forums die eingehalten werden muessen sonst wird das ein Irrgarten der keinen hilft.
Ich verbringe viel Zeit und suche nach Informationen die uns hoffentlich alle naeher bringen zum Ziel aber wenn es hier wieder ""Crazy"" wird dann verliere ich meine Geduld und Lust weitere Postings zu machen wie du ebenfalls, Edel Man.
Ueber 3600 Postings in 9 Monaten, egal welchen Naehrwert die hatten sprechen Worte.
Aufhoeren ? , dazu kommt es hoffentlich nicht wenn wir langzeitigen Mitglieder alle zusammenhalten und neue wertvolle Mitglieder dazukommen.
Ausserdem gibt es hier Schiedsrichter die auch ein Auge darauf werfen.
Mfg
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Amongst all this potential for market carnage one thing is standing out. And that is bullion. Gold, Silver and Platinum have been holding up or rising in the face of all these problems. Our chart of the Dow Jones Industrials/Gold ratio shows that after more than two years of sideways trading the ratio has broken down in favour of gold. To date the ratio has fallen to around 21 and the current target is down to around 16. Gold has been favoured over bonds now for the past two years. With rising bond prices the ratio has faltered but the uptrend remains intact. There is, however, a possible ascending wedge forming so that ratio bears close watching.
The dangers that lie ahead is showing up in increasing instability and it is showing up on the charts. Investors would be wise to heed and increase use the current consolidation in bullion prices to add to positions. Targets remain on gold to over $500 and up to $550. Silver prices looked poised to soon break out over the former highs near $8.20 and target at least to $10. Platinum prices should soar over $1000.
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Chapman meint den ansteigenden Keil.
Da lauert öfter Ungemach.
Muß nicht sein,aber ernstzunehmende Gefahr.
Grüsse
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Ein bemerkenswerter Absatz aus dem Lasco Report.
Mit den Kernaussagen stimme ich überein.![:]](https://goldseiten-forum.com/wcf/images/smilies/pleased.gif "Freude")
Grüsse
___________________________________First and foremost on my list of things to do would be to take a position in gold and silver. This includes the purchase of physical gold and silver, as well as futures contracts, and selected mining shares. The initial position should be done with out trying to "time" your entry. Just take a position and live with it. It's a Bull Market and if you bought gold at $480.00 or $440.00, really it won't matter when gold is at US $1,600/ounce in three or four years :))Do not attempt to time the tops and bottoms; you'll only succeed in loosing your position and paying up to get back in. What I'm suggesting is the easiest thing to say and the hardest course of action to follow: get on the Bull's back and stay on until he's drawn his last breadth! I assure you that the present Bull Market in gold will last well toward the end of our present decade, and maybe even longer. We are in the early stages of the second phase of a Bull Market, a second phase that will be characterized by the J. P. Morgan's of the world recommending gold to the general public. It should be noted that the second phase tends to be the longest in a Bull Market.
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Wirklich sehr lesenswert, vor allem absolut klar und verständlich.
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POG Betrachtung:
nicht mehr optimal - durchwachsen
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hmm, habe mich nicht zurückhalten können,
habe in den letzten Tagen etwas Kasse (20%) gemacht und werde
dies auch bis Ende November so beibehalten. -
Gold 350 USD ???
- erst wieder, nachdem beim $ hinten eine Null gestrichen wurde!!
Ich habe alle deine Postings mal rückwärtig durchgelesen.
Du kommst mir vor, wie jemand, der sich in der Blase am
sogenannten "Neuen Markt" - besser "Neues Spielkasino",
ganz fürchterlich die Finger verbrannt hat und deshalb
überall Blasen hat - und auch weitere - spekulative - Blasen befürchtet.Wenn du nicht die Unterschiede zwischen Märkten, welche
15 Jahre gut gelaufen sind (war von '83 bis '98 im "SM" - Markt,
hatte nie Grund es zu bereuen, hatte aber auch nie Grund zu
bereuen, frühzeitig auszusteigen) und grundlegenden
Paradigmenwechseln erkennen kannst, dann wirst du immer
zu skeptisch - in der Früphase eines neuen Trendes sein -
zunehmend von deinem anfänglichen Urteil abkehren - und
sehr spät investieren - und zu spät am Tische sitzen - und zu
spät den Tisch verlassen - und letztendlich die Zeche bezahlen."Die Börse ist wie eine billige Kneipe, wer zuletzt am Tisch sitzt,
bezahlt die ganze Zeche".Du solltest daher merken, dass es erst früh am Tisch ist -
und es werden keine Einladungen vergeben!Germoney
p.s. : Ein zusätzlicher Grund - und Indikator - war '98, dass meine
jüngste Schwester, welche sich nie für Aktien interessiert hatte,
erst spät in Telekom-Aktien investierte. Das war für mich das -
ultimative - Alarmzeichen.
'02 habe ich dann mal meiner jüngsten Schwester gegenüber ein
Investment in Gold&Silber erwähnt. Anwort: "Ich habe schon soviel
Geld an den Telekom-Aktien verloren, und du willst, dass ich in Gold
und Silber investiere???"
Daher betrachte ich Sie als - perfekten - Indikator. Wenn Sie in Gold
& Silber geht, gehe ich raus. Ich schätze, das wird aber erst in einigen
Jahren sein, 2009 ++++Germoney
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Monday, October 17, 2005, 2:49:00 PM EST
Dr. Martin Murenbeeld on Gold
Author: Jim Sinclair
Dear Friends,
Dr. Martin Murenbeeld is one of the world’s foremost authorities on gold. His recent presentation at the Denver Gold Forum provides valuable insights into the gold market and the factors that will impact gold’s price in the future. His fluid presentation style and his method of presenting facts in a very understandable and non-academic fashion have made him a popular speaker at gold conferences throughout North America.
M. Murenbeeld & Associates Inc. is a Dundee Wealth Management company that provides independent analysis and advice on economic and financial developments, with special emphasis on North American interest rate and currency market trends – and on trends in the gold market. Dr. Murenbeeld is Chief Economist of the Dundee Wealth Management Group.
Please click on the following link to view Dr. Murenbeeld's presentation in PDF format.
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Zitat
Original von germoney
Wenn Sie in Gold
& Silber geht, gehe ich raus. Ich schätze, das wird aber erst in einigen
Jahren sein, 2009 ++++
Ähnliches schilderte uns liberty kürzlich hier.Auch ich kann dies aus dem Verwandtenkreis bestätigen.
Bis auf meinen ältesten Sohn bin ich der Rufer in der Wüste.M.E. kann die Gold-Superhausse uU.bis 2012 laufen.
Grüsse
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Hi Jungs
Auch ich kann ähnliches aus meinem Freundeskreis berichten. An Infinion sich die Finger verbrannt, und er zittert heute noch.
Ggruß Jürgen
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Moin,
Ich bin schon seit ca 3 Jahren in Gold und Silber investiert. Meine Geschwister und Freunde (sogar mein Vater) sahen mir immer kritisch über die Schulter. Von einigen wurde ich gar ausgelacht.
Aber mittlerweile dreht sich das Bild. Ein Freund hat sich jetzt Krügerrand gekauft. Und mein Bruder geht mit 20 % in Goldminen-Fonds. Außerdem hört man mir ohne ein müdes Lächeln zu...
Das alles kostet viel Überzeugungsarbeit, viele Ausdrucke aus den Kolumnen etc. , Ich möchte ganz einfach so viele Freunde und Bekannte wie möglich noch rechtzeitig auf die derzeitige Situation aufmerksam machen. Die Masse der Bevölkerung realisiert gar nicht, dass die Weltwirtschaft auf des Messers Schneide steht und es jederzeit zu einem Crash kommen kann. Hier ist m.E. noch viel Aufklärung von Nöten.
Also.. nicht müde werden und zumindest die Leute, die Euch was bedeuten, weiter "nerven"
Ach übrigens, ich bin jetzt bald zu 100 % in Gold/Silber etc. Ich habe in letzter Konsequenz meine Lebensversicherungen gekündigt und werde das frei werdende Kapital umschichten.
Gruß Carlos
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Hallo Carlos,
das mit der Lebensversicherung habe ich mich noch nicht "getraut".
Eigentlich ist das ein gutes Beispiel für die Irrationalität von anlegern. Ich bin fest davon überzeugt, daß es der richtige Schritt wäre, schrecke aber dennoch davor zurück.Ist schon komisch.
Viele Grüße
liberty
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Noch mehrere solche Ereignisse,und die Crimex hats schwer!
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Gold consumption in India up 50% in H1/05; 508 tonnes ‘consumed’ in H1 despite inflation woes
NEW DELHI (AFP): Indian households are on a record gold-buying spree as oil price-driven inflation threatens to wipe out savings from rising incomes in one of the world’s fastest-growing economies. Gold consumption in India, the world’s largest market for the precious metal, has shot up by 50 per cent in the first half of the year to 508 tonnes, only a little less than the 642 tonnes consumed during the whole of last year, the World Gold Council said. The price of gold surged to an all-time high of 6,990 rupees ($156) per 10 grammes ($442 an ounce) in India this week, though it dropped marginally later. However, the prices are likely to start climbing once again with the wedding and festival season starting among the population of 1.1 billion, brokers said. “There is a new found confidence in gold. Whoever has invested in gold, has made extra money. People are also turning to it as a hedge against the high oil prices,” said Jatin Mehta, head of gold trading firm Suraaj.Stoking
Two successive hikes in petrol prices since June is stoking India’s inflation rate, which crept above four per cent in the week ended Oct 1. India’s central bank has predicted inflation will range between 5.0 to 5.5 per cent this fiscal year. The income of middle class Indian families has been going up with the economy growing at a robust seven to eight per cent, but putting their savings in banks is yielding little as the interest rate of four to five per cent is barely on par with the inflation rate. Traders said the price of gold was likely to rise another five to 10 per cent by the year-end as more and more people invest their savings and demand for jewellery soars during the October to February festival and marriage season. The yellow metal rose to a new near-18-year high in Europe on Monday and was seen hitting the next big level of around $480-500 an ounce amid buying by funds over inflation worries.
“The linkages between international prices and Indian gold are very close. The demand in India is also because of increasing income levels, due to the rising economic growth rate,” said Sanjeev Agarwal, head of the Indian office of World Gold Council. India’s economy expanded 8.1 per cent in the three months to June, compared to 6.9 per cent over the last financial year ended March. Indian consumers said their decision to buy was not just influenced by economic factors, but traditional preference for gold on special occasions. “I am buying for my daughter’s marriage. Gold prices have risen, but they will keep on rising. And one really has no choice but to buy gold when an occasion like marriage is happening in the family,” said Deepa Ray, a housewife, visiting a New Delhi jewellery shop. Mehta said a large portion of the buying demand was coming from smaller Indian cities and towns, where people are not comfortable investing in stock markets, mutual funds or government saving instruments.
The buying trend in gold has seen a subtle shift in preference for lighter and different designs of jewellery so that they can be worn on various occasions and not just marriage, industry officials said. “Indian women are looking for lighter-weight jewellery. They wear it after asking themselves where I am going, what I am doing,” said Agarwal. “But their preference for the metal remains intact.” He said the rise in prices was also because the gold supply had remained at the same level in the domestic market although consumer demand has shot up. “People are holding on to their stocks of gold. They don’t want to release them now as the maximum buying in the metal takes place between September to January. Therefore, they expect prices to rise in the months ahead,” said Sanjay Kothari, a leading trader. Traders said some of the demand in the market is coming from international customers in United States and Middle East, where Indian-made jewellery is finding greater acceptance as quality improves.
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Erstaunlich, der Dollar hat es geschafft ueber die 90 zu klettern.
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Hier ein Ausschnitt aus „Le Metropole Cafe“ von gestern. Während alle die Entwicklungen bei GE, GR., FORD und Fannie Mae beobachten und Probleme im Derivativen Markt erwarten, könnte Refco für einen Skandal sorgen, der die Kettenreaktion auslöst. Es könnte der Eisberg sein, der die Titanic zum Sinken bringt.
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The AM Fix came in at $472.35, up $3.15 over the Comex close. Silver was pegged at $7.86, up 6 cents. What was most intriguing was to see this sort of strength in light of the dollar’s simultaneous strength. The early going has the euro down .50 and the yen at multi-year lows. While way too early to ascertain yet, this price action gives more credence to what was brought to your attention in the MIDAS Saturday Night Special commentary. The developing lease problems are in the cash gold market (with silver smoldering) and should be reflected in London first.
This could be another reason the Saudis do not want to store their physical silver in London. They probably feel it won’t be there when they want to get it, or don’t trust the banks which might "say" they are keeping it in storage for them.
The "Deep Throat" information sent my way on Saturday was specifically related to a growing gold lease rate problem – ILLEGAL gold leases. The bullion banks doing the leases cannot oblige those who are now calling for their gold, which is one of the reasons gold has been acting the way it has. It was my guess that silver would lead the way because once word spread re the demise of various illegal gold leasing schemes, the silver market would go nuts because the silver shorts should be in worse shape than the gold shorts.
For gold to hold the way it did and come back Thursday/Friday, the extraordinary close on silver on Friday, and today’s early gold surge are strong indications that not only is "Deep Throat" right on, but so is GATA. For gold to move like this on its own (the US stock market and the dollar are up today) suggests something is in play in the bullion market which cannot, and is not, explained by the gold pundits, and certainly not Planet Wall Street.
This is the reason MIDAS keeps pounding the table over GATA’s understanding the price of gold could rally $100 per ounce and the dollar do nothing. You could have sold ice to the Eskimos before selling that line of rationale a year ago. The purpose of emphasizing this "dead on" GATA assessment of the gold market is for credibility purposes of what lies ahead … to build Café member confidence of where the price of gold is going and why.
The bottom line is the bullion/central banks are short some 12,000 to 16,000 tonnes of gold and cannot get it back. If only a few parties call for their gold (Deep Throat says this is underway to some degree), the gold market will go into convulsions … even if only 5% to 10% of this amount is asked for as the months and years go by. The gold market is already in a pronounced supply/demand deficit. The only way The Gold Cartel can keep the price from exploding is to add clandestine central bank gold via the bullion banks, NOT TAKE IT AWAY from the market.
This does not mean the market has to explode immediately. The authorities, players involved in the leases and Gold Cartel are going to use every means possible to keep the gold price rise an orderly one. You can count on that. They might be able to do so in the short-term. However, they are fighting a losing battle as the time goes on. The die is cast. The Gold Cartel and other major shorts, especially the ones who have ILLEGALLY leased out bullion, are in the deepest of trouble. Should the US financial markets find themselves battered, the problem will worsen for The Gold Cartel and shorts who have their gold out on loan. This is when we get our Commercial Signal Failure and the gold derivatives neutron bomb goes off. Could be sooner, could be later … it’s coming.
The CFTC ought to be shut down. There is no reason for its existence. As a result of the Refco flap, they are making noises how diligent they are. Horse manure!
Once again gold made its surging high for the entire trading session within the first 45 minutes to an hour. No free market trades like that time and time again. Not only that, the $6 Rule was invoked for the umpteenth time ($6.30 to be exact). That was it. The Gold Cartel put gold in lockdown mode for the rest of the day on Comex. As soon as it went up $6 and change, GATA’s Chris Powell and Wistar Holt both sent me emails: "That’s it, limit up, $6 Rule."
Thus The Gold Cartel continues to manage a gold retreat, and in doing so, their inevitable defeat into disgrace.
As also happens so often, when The Gold Cartel is having trouble containing gold, they sit all over silver. Same thing today. After Friday’s dramatic surge, silver was not allowed to keep its head above water to any significant degree. If MIDAS is right, that will not stand for long.
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