Neal Froneman: CEO, Afrikander Lease
By: Alec Hogg
Posted: '06-SEP-04 06:57' GMT © Mineweb 1997-2004
MINEWEB: Neal Froneman joins us now. You’ve come out with quarterly results today. They are also your half-year results. It looks a bit better Neal, but there’s still a long way to go. You listed on Nasdaq on the American stock market. Have you had any reaction back from the American shareholders at this point?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Alec, no, we haven’t had any specific feedback or reaction from the American shareholders. But, yes, I think there’s a long way to go as you said. I think what’s important, though, in our results, is the trend, not the absolute numbers. In fact, I would go as far as to say the second quarter of operating profits is somewhat meaningless because we’ve really been cleaning up gold. So we are the first to acknowledge that the absolute numbers are nowhere near what we want them to be. I think the net loss improvements are substantial. There’s a 70% improvement on the net loss year-on-year. Comparing the same period, it is very significant. And that was our strategy, to stop the bleeding. We were bleeding to death.
MINEWEB: You’ve got a couple of gold prospects that you’re looking at, that you're developing, that will take time to come on board. But I guess the most important thing for Afrikander Lease is, are you going to survive? And you are busy doing a deal with Randgold JCI. Is that now on track, is that going to be sufficient funding for you?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Yes, Alec, contrary to the last discussion we had …
MINEWEB: You’ve had some tough discussions in this studio. I think tonight's a little easier, isn’t it?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Well, I thought it’s better that I come and sit in front of you – you don’t seem to attack me then. But jokes aside, Alec, the transaction is well on track. We released an announcement in the middle of the week saying that all the conditions precedent have been met. As I said last time, not everything was within our control. I also said with this transaction it was within our control. And I think we’ve proved that. The only outstanding issue is the general meeting which takes place on the 23rd, and the shareholders circulars have been posted.
MINEWEB: How much money are you going to be putting in the bank as a result of that?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Again, Alec, our last discussion, there was a bit of confusion. There is about R175m in total that will be raised at these sort of prices, of which R50m is a loan that gets converted, and there’s two ways of converting it.
MINEWEB: The big issue, though, as far as Aflease is concerned going into the future, for most international investors, is the uranium story. Let’s dwell a little on that, because if you take a guy sitting in the United States, he’s got many different gold shares around the world that he can invest in. But he’s getting excited about Afrikander Lease because of uranium. How significant are the deposits in your business?
NEAL FRONEMAN: They are very, very significant, and I think the way you’ve just put the question to me is the way that we’ve looked at it from a board perspective. There’s hundreds of junior gold miners. I think we’ve got decent assets. But I don’t think we had the sort of assets from a gold mining perspective that would make us significantly different to anyone of those hundred-odd junior gold miners. But where we can be very significantly different is on the uranium side. We’ve said – and the more we read and the more we understand, the more work we do – we definitely have about half of South Africa’s near-available uranium. And South Africa accounts for 10% of the near-available uranium.
MINEWEB: What’s that?
NEAL FRONEMAN: It’s a definition that the uranium producers use, and it’s not a Samrac-compliant definition. It’s uranium that could be mined fairly easily. It’s not ultra-deep, it’s not pie-in-the-sky type uranium. It’s economically viable. And South Africa accounts for 10% of what they call the world’s near-available uranium. And therefore, as a company, we sit on about 5% of the world’s near-available uranium.
MINEWEB: How long will it take, though, to bring that to account?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Again, as we work on it, we develop new ideas. Some of the better concepts that we’ve founded at Aflease, like the ability to open pit narrow reefs ..
MINEWEB: Open pit narrow reefs? In layman’s terms, what’s that?
NEAL FRONEMAN: That simply means that you can open-cast mine, from surface, narrow reefs. Most open-cast mines mine very large, wide and thick ore bodies. When it comes to narrow reefs, it’s a lot more difficult. And in the inner basin, we were mining 12 reefs. The uranium have three different reefs, an upper, middle and lower. And that expertise that’s been developed over a number of years will be the new thinking that’s applied to that deposit.
MINEWEB: It’s cheaper to mine that way than going underground?
NEAL FRONEMAN: It is cheaper. We do have to go underground. We’ve developed a concept which is called a “soft start”. So we can, with a minimum amount of capital, get our uranium project off the ground. I think the last time we spoke we were saying we needed initial capital of about R300m to get the big project off the ground. The total capital requirement for that is R1bn. For a company of our size, and the perceived risk, that would be extremely difficult to raise that sort of money. The soft-start approach – we use existing infrastructure. And remember, this is not a greenfields project, this is a brownfields project. It was mined in the past by companies like AngloGold and so on. And for the soft-start approach we require an initial capital of about R75m.
MINEWEB: It’s a long way from the R300m we were talking about before. What would drop it so?
NEAL FRONEMAN: As I’ve said, what we have come to realise is that there is a lot of existing infrastructure that can be used to start that operation.
MINEWEB: Didn’t you know about that before?
NEAL FRONEMAN: We did, but we took a mega-mine approach, in terms of a broad perspective. What has also happened, we’ve taken the open-cast concept across to the uranium. It’s in the same area. And together that has led to what we call the soft start.
MINEWEB: Neal, how long, with all of this, how long will it take before you earn you first cash out of real uranium?
NEAL FRONEMAN: It’s at least two years, Alec.
MINEWEB: And the uranium market? Is it likely to remain in an upward trend for at least two years?
NEAL FRONEMAN: It certainly is. And I think that’s one of the key fundamentals of what excites us about this. You know, uranium and its consumption in terms of nuclear power end-users is a 50-year type market. People have a 50-year view on a nuclear power station. We are in the very early phases of a bull run. There is no other known sustainable clean environmentally friendly source of energy right now. The biggest acknowledged threat to the world at the moment is the greenhouse effect, and nuclear energy doesn’t have that sort of problem associated with it.
MINEWEB: Does the Chinese government have a problem with nuclear energy, because I guess that would be key to unlocking it.
NEAL FRONEMAN: Certainly they are seen as one of the more aggressive areas of growth of nuclear energy. But I have to say, right now, as we sit here, there’s 30 new nuclear power plants under construction worldwide, and it’s not just in the Eastern bloc countries or any specific area of the world.
MINEWEB: And they all use uranium as their primary feedstock?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Yes, they do, and the only real difference is the amount of enrichment that they require, of the uranium, to make it work.
MINEWEB: And the uranium sources of supply at the moment? Is there still an oversupply?
NEAL FRONEMAN: No. And again, that underpins the fundamental changes that have occurred in the market. Only 46% of total consumption comes from new supply at the moment. In other words, right now as we sit here, 54% is coming from other sources that are not new supply.
MINEWEB: Meaning what? Recycled?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Some of it is recycled. But that’s a very small component. The majority comes from the stockpiles that were built up in the sort of Cold War era, and the other major source of uranium at the moment that makes up the shortfall is the conversion of weapons-grade uranium to commercial-grade uranium. And that’s an agreement that the United States has with the old Soviet Union.
MINEWEB: So Neal, once a power plant starts, and there are 30 of them that are in the stage of construction at the moment, and they use the uranium, then the uranium is used – then you need new uranium to replenish it?
NEAL FRONEMAN: In most cases that holds true. What the end users have done, they’ve also become more efficient. And they use more of the uranium that they’ve got. So some of the shortfall is also being met from recycling some of that uranium. But essentially, once you’ve consumed the atomically active U235, it’s consumed.
MINEWEB: And what is the likely cost to you to bring the uranium to account, from your side, in two years’ time, and what is the market price at the moment?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Our break-even cost on the soft-start approach is $14 a pound. That takes into account the additional revenue we get from gold, because we are very fortunate. In our case, gold will be a by-product. The current spot price of uranium is just over $19 a pound, $19.25 a pound. But you can enter into long-term contracts right now at $23 a pound. So it looks very good and it’s a rising market.
MINEWEB: When might you pull the trigger on your investment there?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Well, certainly the board has approved R15m, and part of the money that we raise now is earmarked for that. And that is to complete a pre-feasibility. I have to say that the numbers that we talk about here are preliminary numbers. We need to do the appropriate technical studies. So it has a health warning. But right now, we are very comfortable with what we are saying.
MINEWEB: And you are likely to be a uranium company in future, rather than a gold company?
NEAL FRONEMAN: Alec, you know, if I say that then everyone thinks we are going to discard our gold assets. And that’s not true. We’ve got good gold assets. They can make us good money once we bring them into production. But, as I said right in the beginning, it would be illogical for us to remain a junior gold miner when we have a resource like this.
MINEWEB: That was Neal Froneman, chief executive officer of Afrikander Lease