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"Wichtig für heute: Rede von Alan Greenspan zwischen 16 und 17 Uhr MEZ."

........ wie kriegt man den Goldpreis runter denkt er sich bestimmt..

@ Hallo Edel Main,

trotztallem steigt der Dollar weiter gegenüber den auch schwachen Euro, beide Wäührungen sind doch das Papier -bald- nicht mehr wert. Wie ist das zuverstehen, starker Dollar? Meine Meinung ist diese ,beide Währungen stehen vor sehr grossen Problemen es ist hier nur die Frage wer zu erst taumeln wird.

gruss hpoth

Das Verbrauchervertrauen in den USA ist drastisch eingebrochen! Von 105 auf 86. Erwartet waren 96 Punkte.
Auch sind die Eigenheimverkäufe deutlich zurückgegangen.

Der Dow dreht ins Minus, Dollar/Euro aber weiterhin nahezu unverändert.
Wirklich komisch...

das hat "Green spin" schon vorausgesagt

Zitat

Übersetzung: Kürzerfristig wird sich der Immobilienboom unvermeidlicherweise beruhigen. Als Teil dieses Prozesses wird der zur Zeit historisch hohe Umsatz am Immobilienmarkt zurück gehen und die Preissteigerungen werden sich abschwächen und die Preise könnten sogar fallen. Als Konsequenz wird die zusätzliche Beleihung der im Preis gestiegenen Immobilien ebenso nachlassen wie die auf ihr basierenden hohen Konsumausgaben. Die Schätzungen bezüglich des Ausmaßes gehen weit auseinander.)

Müssen wir Dr. Frankenstein zu Dank verpflichtet sein, wenn er uns vor dem zerstörerischen Potenzial seiner neusten Kreatur in halbwegs deutlichen Worten warnt?

Silberwolf

Und Boerse-go zum Immobilienmarkt:

"Der Überhang an angebotenen Eigenheimen zog im August dementsprechend um 2,4 Prozent auf 479.000 an. Damit ließe sich der theoretische Bedarf von 5 Monaten abdecken."

Da werden die Preise purzeln und manch einer, der sich vorher auf dem Papier reich gerechnet hat, in Schwierigkeiten kommen.
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Fuer den der Gold nicht mag empfehle ich den Nikkei in den naechsten 5 Jahren,sagte heute Hugh Hendry auf CNBC.

Etwas längeres Interview mit Bob Hoye über Gold und Commodities:

"Why you should own Gold & Dollars"

http://www.institutionaladviso…%20TAYLOR%20INTERVIEW.pdf

Viel Spass,
Harpo

Sch.... Tag, ich geh jetzt in die Wirtschaft, ich habe das schon vorher gerochen. Macht nix, morgen ist ein neuer Tag.

Crystalball hat Recht bis jetzt...... der Dollar steigt, viel Spass

Healthy Correction ......

http://www.321gold.com/editori…ndich/grandich092705.html

Wie der National Enquirer [extern] nun berichtet, trinkt der 59 jährige Bush jedoch seit einigen Wochen wieder.

"Seine Frau erwischte ihn in flagranti, als er sich nach der Nachricht vom Dammbruch in New Orleans einen Whisky "in Texasgröße" einschenkte und herunterkippte. Sie schrie ihn an: "Stop, George!". Doch Insider aus Washington berichten, dass der Präsident schon seit Wochen wieder trinkt, da ihn die toten Soldaten im Irak und jetzt die Hurrikan-Krise so mitnehmen.

Sein Umfeld hofft, dass die Sache nur nicht völlig außer Kontrolle gerät, da sein Alkoholproblem durchaus massiv war, er in einer trinkfreudigen Umgebung aufgewachsen ist und sich nie auf eine professionelle Therapie gegen Alkoholsucht eingelassen hat. Tatsächlich wundern sich viele aus dem Umfeld des US-Präsidenten, dass er nicht schon viel eher wieder zur Flasche gegriffen hat. Dr. Justin Frank, ein Psychiater aus Washington und Autor des Buchs [extern] Bush On The Couch: Inside The Mind Of The President, sagte dem National Enquirer:

Ich denke, dass Bush wieder trinkt. Alkoholiker, die wie der Präsident in keinem Anti-Sucht-Programm eingebunden sind, sind sehr unter Druck, wenn der Stress groß wird. Ich denke, es ist ein Warnsignal, dass Bush in Stresssituationen einfach verschwindet. Er verbringt so viele Zeit auf seiner Ranch. Das ist sehr erschreckend. "

vielleicht mußte er nach Katarina erst wieder nüchtern werden eher auftauchte.

silberwolf

Sorry, Greenspan spricht 20.45 MEZ!

(nicht wie oben von mir geschrieben16 Uhr)

Hallo zusammen

Anfängerfrage

Hat von Euch eigentlich jemand eine Ahnung wie es mit dem Geldmengenwachstum des € momentan aussieht? Kann es nicht vielleicht sein das im Moment der €-Ballon aufgeblasen wird um den $ zu stützen.
Würde auch das plötzliche Steigen des Goldpreises erklären.

Haben sie ja zuerst mit dem Yen und dann mit dem $ auch gemacht.

Trilaterale lässt grüßen!

max

Hey Max, klar da sind so viele Blasen die werden poppen.

Papiergeld wird krachen, zurueck zu wahren Werten die nicht gedruckt sind.

Servus

XAX

What's Holding Gold Back?

By Bud Conrad
The International Speculator
Sep 27, 2005

Before attempting to answer this question ("What's holding gold back?"), we have to ask: "Is gold being held back?"

A starting point in trying to answer this question is to look at how gold is faring compared to oil, the "ultimate" commodity in that it pretty much powers the world. As you can see in the chart below, historically gold has closely tracked the price of oil. You can also see that, even before the recent hurricanes, gold has started to significantly lag oil prices.

The Direction for Gold Will Eventually Be Up

The real source of gold's rise will be the failure of the world's paper currencies at being stores of value. When currency crises force the central banks to stop their gold sales, we will know that the dollar is in serious trouble and prices of all commodities, including gold, will move much higher. Because gold has been held back, it could well jump more.

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/casey/casey092705.html

Gnight Amigos, hold the line and fire for now, Thursday we can shop again when the dust has settled....

Hecla's CEO sees silver price up in double digits

Tue Sep 27, 2005 04:08 PM ET

DENVER, Sept 27 (Reuters) - Silver prices should rise to $10 per ounce or higher in the next few years, from the current spot price at $7.25, supported by the market's supply/demand fundamentals and gold's upswing in price, a top executive at Hecla Mining Corp. (HL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Tuesday.
"Our view is that we will see double-digit silver prices in the next few years," Phillips Baker, Jr., Hecla president and chief executive, said in an interview on the sidelines of the Denver Gold Forum. "It will go from $7 to $10, or higher."

Mir geht gerade soviel durch den Kopf, dass ich vor lauter Fragen keine
guten Antworten mehr finde. So zeige ich einfach meine Fragen:

Germoney

Mach Dir nix draus, das geht jeden oefters so Germoney.

An was anders denken hilft da oft, an die Schwiegermutter vielleicht.

Mfg

XAX

September 27 - Gold $462.40 down $2.90 - Silver $7.25 down 4 cents

Blatant Gold Cartel Raid After PM Fix Fails Just As Noticeably

"The efforts which we make to escape from our destiny only serve to lead us into it." ---Ralph Waldo Emerson

What a day! The first part of this MIDAS was written as The Gold Cartel bombed gold for $8 at one point. A disgusted MIDAS followed the action and reported on the absurd goings-on. For most of the Comex trading session it appeared my short-term analysis of the market was faulty with the tone of the MIDAS becoming shriller as each hour passed.

However, once again a Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Gold Cartel Forum. Instead of collapsing like it always used to under these assaults, gold staged a FURIOUS rally and closed $5 off its low. I can’t recall any other time since the Café opened in September, 1998 when we have seen late action near the close like this during an orchestrated raid to send the fund longs packing.

This further confirms that:

*Gold is indeed trading differently.
*The Gold Cartel continues to take every opportunity to cover their shorts when they can.
*The mainstream gold market commentary is "out of it." The cash market was firm to higher this morning with the euro off sharply, near 120. Then, after The Gold Cartel attacked, the clueless gold pundits began blaming the gold drop on the strong dollar. Yet, gold rallied $5 off its low and the euro is still around 120, down .73.

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The backdrop and mystery in the world/US financial markets is both intriguing and growing more intense. To set the stage for this commentary:

*The AM Fix was $465.65 and 387.07 in euros. I believe the euro Fix was the highest in 18 years.

*The dollar supposedly rose on this news:

Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- The dollar rose to a two-month high against the euro and yen after Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City President Thomas Hoenig added to speculation the central bank will keep raising interest rates. –END-

Yet, ignored this news:

Sept. 27 (Bloomberg) -- German business confidence unexpectedly rose to an eight-month high in September as the euro's retreat against the dollar helped exporters before an election stalemate darkened the economic outlook.

The Munich-based Ifo institute's business confidence index, based on a survey of 7,000 executives, rose to 96 from August's 94.6. Economists expected a decline. Ifo said the 20 percent of replies received after the Sept. 18 vote tended to be more pessimistic than answers before the election.

``It shows there's a certain resilience in the German economy's momentum,'' said Silvia Pepino, an economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in London. ``Clearly the spike in oil prices and the political uncertainty have increased the risks of a slowdown in the fourth quarter. But today's report is encouraging. –END-

*After two natural disasters, the dollar is on fire. Planet Wall Street would have you believe this is due to investor concerns of future US rate hikes, despite the increasing poor US economic reports. If this is so, why is the US stock market not going down, way down after the recent horrific events in the Gulf? After all, when it rallied over the past couple of weeks, the credit was given to a Fed who would stop raising rates.

*While the dollar is on fire (which I believe is almost solely due to coordinated central bank intervention), what is going on behind the scenes is a different story:

Hi Bill:
Just had a phone conversation with a well plugged in source in Hong Kong. He tells me that US dollar flight has grown to the point that UBS now has twelve separate desks, each handling one of twelve regions of the US -- and each manned by a US expatriate -- for dollar conversion into Swiss Franc denominated assets. While the official sector may be coordinating in buying dollars, this is the type of transaction that's occurring in the private market.
Best,
Jeff

Yesterday, we saw the DOW rally straight up 40 points near the end of the day without a downtick for no apparent reason. The PPT is propping up the US stock market, the central banks are boosting the dollar (as stated they would), and The Gold Cartel is all over the gold price, holding it hundreds of dollars per ounce lower than it should be.

The US economic news was just released and it was far worse than expected:

10:00 Aug. New Home Sales reported 1.237M vs. consensus 1.35M
Prior revised to 1.373M from 1.41M. Homebuilders are moving lower in initial reaction.
* * * * *

10:00 Sept. Consumer Confidence reported 86.6 vs. consensus 95
Prior reading revised to 105.5 from 105.6.
* * * * *

10:04 New Home Sales, Consumer Confidence weaker than expected
The sharp decline in Consumer Confidence to 86.6 in September from 105.5 in August will exacerbate fears that the recent spike in energy prices is undermining confidence, and ultimately spending. The 86.6 reading was well below the 95.0 consensus and was the lowest reading since October2003. New Home sales also showed weakness in August, falling to 1.237Mvs the 1.35M consensus. Here again, fears about the impact of rising energy prices on consumers will be heightened by this report….
* * * * *

The drop in Consumer Confidence was the largest in 15 years.

Market’s response:

*Gold was hit for $3
*The stock market, dollar and bonds barely budged.

All of this is with gasoline two cents higher.

From a Planet GATA perspective the market analysis that makes sense to me is the PPT, Gold Cartel and other central banks are in a massive market coordination to prevent a meltdown in the US. What other explanation could there be for the US stock market action? Since when are disappearing consumer confidence, continually higher gasoline prices, and higher interest rates, a recipe for a steady to rising stock market? How is this bullish for the dollar when the Bush Administration has pledged hundreds of billions to shore up the Gulf, yet offered no way to pay for it?

Clearly, orders have gone out from On High to rig, and rig, and rig, until the Orwellians can figure out what to do and how to spin. President Bush’s ratings are scraping the bottom of the barrel with the US real estate and stock markets at an aggregate all-time high. When they go in the toilet, Pres Bush will be lucky to have ratings above single digits. AND THEY KNOW IT, especially with Iraq falling apart and no way out of the mess that won’t do even more harm to the geopolitical scene.

The PM Fix, where physical market pricing was concluded for the day, came in at $464.10, down a little more than $1 from the prior Comex close, however, gold is now falling like a stone. Once again, an unbiased mind can see how rigged the gold market is and how aggressive The Gold Cartel is when they want to be. Time and time again they make their move after the PM Fix when they can take the price down with little short-term resistance, as the cash market buying is over for the day.

All morning long the cash market was firm. Then, on top of that, the US economic news stunk. So why would gold drop $4 on negative news for the dollar and confidence in the US? Why don’t any of the numbskulls in the mainstream gold world ever comment on this ludicrously managed market? They are beyond contempt. Practically all of ‘em.

There are times when traders want to throw a rock through the screen. This is one of those times. The Gold Cartel is bombing gold as part of the orchestrated manipulation of the US financial markets. With consumer confidence naturally falling apart in the US, the Orwellians can’t let gold keep moving up to reflect the deteriorating confidence picture.

Should gold close below $455, I will be wrong regarding a gold correction and the 95% in the mob calling for one will be right. This almost NEVER happens in a free market. I might have to chide myself because gold has corrected like this time and time again with everyone calling for a correction. My record on this score is dismal. It is beyond me how The Gold Cartel can keep getting away with this nonsense. Wonder how long it will be before the PPT ramps up the stock market? Let’s see. It’s 19 lower at the moment.

I stand corrected on who were the buyers yesterday. Because of the aggressive nature of the buying yesterday (bidding through offers), the Comex floor thought the buying was for clients and not The Gold Cartel (the bank’s own account). This must have been the case as the gold open interest rose a sizeable 6740 contracts to 369,967. Had it been The Gold Cartel, the open interest would have dropped by close to that amount.

Gold has now been hit for $8 on the day and the dollar is the same as it was this morning when the AM Fix was HIGHER than the prior Comex close. Gasoline is now up 6 cents and natural gas has turned up on the trading session. Except for gold, the US financial markets are barely trading, volatility shrinking (protect those derivatives).

To support the above – from a London gold trader:

Hi Bill,
I was surprised how strong gold was this morning in London despite the weaker euro. Dec gold was trading between 468.50 and 469.50 even with the euro down near 1.20. With the end of access and the beginning of the floor session on comex gold is down over $6 for no particular reason! The mainstream press is saying it is because of the stronger dollar but the dollar hasn't moved since the AM session in London. It is clear they are going for the $457 level basis spot.
Rgds
M

Recently Goldman Sachs recorded unbelievable profits. I can’t speak for their other trading activities, however, their gold trading contributes to these profits as a result of their violating the racketeering laws in the US. Trading on the wishes of the Working Group on Financial Markets, which they are charter members of, they attack gold on the Comex at the same time other bullion banks in the cabal make their move. While they have been net short all way up from $250, they have taken $10 to $20 out of the market probably 20 times or more since the bull market began in 2001. Thus, while they might be down $200 on the net short position, they have mostly likely cleared a net $50/$100 per ounce profit by blowing out the funds time and time again.

Then you have to factor in the fact they had nothing but winners from 1998 until the bull market began in 2001.

Here is the real kicker though. For the last 8 to 10 years they have borrowed gold from the central banks at 1%, or less, basically free money. They have taken this money to fund their own operations, or invested those funds in 4% to 5.5% Treasury vehicles.

There are some out there who might believe today’s gold market bombing was due to availability of central bank gold under the latest Washington agreement. If that were the case, they would have sold at the London Fixes, where they would have received a far higher price. The action on the Comex was Gold Cartel derivatives selling at first to induce fund selling.

Market is closed. WOW, what a rally! If that is the best the crooks can do, they are truly in deep, deep trouble. Gold just DOES NOT trade like this. Two days in a row the bums had the market failing, yet gold stormed right back.

The low for the day: $457.40. One healthy looking chart:

October gold
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/A5

Gold's big picture continues to firm up. Owners of physical gold continue to rack up gains around the world. No gold dumping from them, like the worked over funds, only more buying on the dips. The reasons to own gold continue to mount.

From our STALKER source. His London gold dealer on Sunday was looking for gold to be pushed down to $458 and then rise into the $480’s. Doesn’t see much to stop it. For decades he says this week has always been a funky one because it is US fiscal year end. Expects gold to move higher next week.

Just heard from the Comex floor. Everyone beginning to talk how the dealers are so quick to cover. Not like in the past. THEY SAY there is no sign of serious central bank selling. If there was, the market would not trade like this.

The floor doesn’t use Planet GATA lingo, or descriptions, however, they are describing a scenario as laid out by MIDAS and GATA – one which has been developing for over a month.

One other point to note from the floor. They are paying attention to the energy sector. Shorts are building, yet the trading volumes have been drying up. Possible upside fireworks here.

Da hat mein Ältester vor ca. 9 Jahren einen Spruch losgefetzt:

"Oma, steig ma' auf 'n Stuhl"

Als Oma dann auf dem Stuhl stand:

"Toll, wollte schon immer ma' im Frühling 'nen Drachen steigen lassen"

Germoney