Thai Guru's Gold und Silber ... (Informationen und Vermutungen)

.""Bin aber auch wieder long gegangen - auf zum zweiten up move! ""

@ ghost god

Ich kann mich auch nur wundern, warum die Margin-Erhöhungen hier immer als Teil einer Verschwörung betrachtet werden. Das ist eine vollkommen normale Entwicklung, die dem Markt Stabilität gibt. Ich sehe das positiv und freue mich auf die nächste Aufwärtsbewegung.

Ich hoffe, ihr habt eine nicht ganz so stressige Vorweihnachtszeit.

Viele Grüße

liberty

Ich hoffe, ihr habt eine nicht ganz so stressige Vorweihnachtszeit.

Das ist eine vollkommen normale Entwicklung, die dem Markt Stabilität gibt.

Ich sehe das positiv und freue mich auf die nächste Aufwärtsbewegung.

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Original von Eldorado
EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED

Wieso, ich habs doch erwartet.

Wenn der Goldpreis nächste Weihnachten bei 600$ liegt, dann ist es doch völlig egal, ob er diese Weihnachten noch auf 470$ sinkt.

Absolutely Kaufrausch, time is on our side.

Ist heute in SAF Feiertag ?

Yes, Alex... wieder einen von vielen Negerfeiertagen.

Vertragen wir uns, aber der ANC ist der Boss, Feiertag.

Der Spiess wird umgedreht.

Gehoert eigentlich in den RSA thread, never mind.

Top stories

AWB sours reconciliation day
(Afrikaner Wehrstandsbewegung = Rechtorientierte Buren)

2005-12-16

Pretoria

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Pretoria - As the president pondered the true extent of racial harmony on Friday, a group of white rightwingers spurned Reconciliation Day celebrations and assembled separately to lament their perceived loss of power.

Addressing a crowd gathered at Freedom Park in Pretoria to mark the national day, President Thabo Mbeki said black and white South Africans may be marching in different directions, turning a blind eye to each other.

"We need to confront what may be an uncomfortable question, whether as South Africans, black and white, we are under the same flag and under the same anthem marching separately - even pretending at times that the other does not exist," he said.

On the city's Church Square, a few hundred supporters of Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging leader Eugene Terre'Blanche reminisced about the heyday of white dominance.

'The volk must close ranks'

Dressed in traditional khaki and carrying old Boer republic flags, the crowd listened as Terre'Blanche called on the "volk" (nation) to close ranks.

"We have lost everything. We have lost our country," said Terre'Blanche, who was freed from jail last year after serving time for assaulting a black man.

"I've come to gather the volk," he said. "The volk must get together again and go into a laager."

Fight or die ?

An oxwagon :D, a symbol of Afrikaner nationalism, was parked on the square. Metro police kept a close eye on traffic as Terre'Blanche and a few henchmen arrived and departed on horeseback.

Mbeki said individual South Africans have not worked for the creation of a unified society to the same extent the government had done.

"... we have not seen... rigorous people's initiatives to create a non-racial and non-sexist society," he told the crowd.

Pandering to stereotypes

"We clearly need to ask ourselves whether we have done what we need to do to overcome the stereotypes that were entrenched over many years by racist policies of the past, or (whether) we still quietly pander to those stereotypes."

Real reconciliation and nation building could only happen when South Africans, through their own initiative and without government prompting, took decisive steps to break down "the racial walls that still define us", the president said.

Wealth distribution represented one such wall. The rich, Mbeki said, had become so through the sweat and toil of others - many of whom remained poor. .... der braucht reden !

Tshwane metro mayor Smangaliso Mkhatshwa said it was apt to mark Reconciliation Day in a city that was once a "personification of oppression".

'A Tshwane of prosperity'

"We have turned the Pretoria of racial hatred into a Tshwane of... prosperity," he told guests.

Terre'Blanche told his followers they need not hate other people or want to make war on them. "We just want the same rights as any other nation on this planet".

He also lamented what he described as the "loss" of land he claimed the Afrikaner had bought legally.

Piet Molopi, one of a few dozen curious black onlookers, found this statement hurtful.

"The land belonged to our forebears first, and the whites took it. It (Terre'Blanche's statement) didn't sit right with me."

Mbeki said one way in which the government had sought to redress apartheid wrongs had been through the victim reparations in the form of grants and bursaries, reburials for the fallen, special pensions :Dand housing.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission, set up 10 years ago, had identified those victims entitled to reparations.

Mbeki said Justice Minister Brigitte Mabandla was finalising a report on how the government was putting the commission's recommendations into action.

"As soon as this report has been finalised, she will report to the nation."

On Thursday, the ministry said just over 1 000 of about 22 000 people identified as victims of apartheid, had yet to receive reparation payments of R30 000 each.

Of these, some 700 could not be traced.

Mbeki thanked the TRC on Friday for its contribution to national reconciliation, as well as those victims and perpetrators who came forward to tell their stories.

Earlier this month, commission chairman Archbishop emeritus Desmond Tutu said the government should have prosecuted apartheid-era perpetrators of atrocities who had refused to come clean.

He also reportedly said that victims of apartheid brutality were not adequately compensated.

bestimmt in Goldzertifikate....

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Original von Eldorado
Absolutely Kaufrausch, time is on our side.

Seh ich auch so! Ein Trend ist ein Trend und der Trend beim Gold ist eher langfristig. Und wenn es fällt, dann kaufe ich nach. Bin eh noch zu liquide.

Es gibt Leute, die sagen, man sollte 10-15% in Gold anlegen. Das mag in Zeiten richtig sein, in denen keine Krisen drohen, ansonsten finde ich das viel zu statisch. Ich werde das ganz klar vom Goldpreis abhängig machen. Je mehr der Markt im Gold ist, desto höher werde ich mein Depot unter Gold begraben, weil der Goldpreis nämlich DER Indikator für Krisen ist.

Zur Ablenkung mal was anderes:

Kann sich überhaupt noch jemand daran erinnern, was ein US$ wirklich ist?

Meine eigentlich, was denn die Constitution dafür vorgesehen hat:

A dollar is 371.25 grains of pure silver - commonly known as a Silver Dollar.

Eine interessante (nostalgische) Betrachtung dazu von Douglas V. Gnazzo zur heutigen FIAT FRN und zu Honest Money:

Gold's Hidden Secret: The Moral Hazard Of Fiat Money

Silberzertifikate von ABN - mehr sage ich nicht!!!

A dollar bill is not the dollar of the Constitution.
A dollar bill is a Federal Reserve Note that is a promise to pay.
The dollar of the Constitution is the Silver Dollar - an honest weight and measure of 371.25 grains of pure silver.

Le Metropole Members,

As Gold Rallies, a Fringe Claims Victory

By Gordon Pitts
The Globe and Mail, Toronto
Friday, December 16, 2005

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Bill Murphy believes the forces of darkness are finally on the run.

The U.S. gold bug is claiming victory over the central bankers, the political heavies, and the conspiracy of silence that has kept his message of gold market manipulation out of the U.S. media.

"We're characterized as these helicopter loonies -- and that's crazy," says Mr. Murphy, 59, shouting into the telephone yesterday as he prepared to board a plane.

The source of his exaltation is gold at more than $500 (U.S.) an ounce, and, despite recent softness, being up 17 per cent this year.

In the view of Mr. Murphy and his followers, this is powerful evidence that the "gold cartel," which has denied the yellow stuff its rightful place as a reserve currency, has lost control of its once-rigged market.

It means gold should top $1,000 within two years on its way to between $3,000 and $5,000, the Dallas-based Mr. Murphy proclaimed.

The propagation of conspiracy theories around the manipulation of precious metals has a long and rather dubious history.

But over the past decade, Mr. Murphy, a former pro football receiver and Wall Street futures trader, has lent an intellectual patina to the cause by assembling a loyal core of consultants and academics around his Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee, or GATA.

Mr. Murphy argues the current gold surge began with a GATA meeting of about 100 true believers in the summer in, appropriately enough, Dawson City, centre of the 1898 Klondike gold rush.

The Dawson City meeting was attended by a key Russian official, lending credibility to the cause, he said. Russia, along with China and Saudi Arabia, have led the upsurge in demand for gold that has overwhelmed the U.S.-based cartel, he observed.

At the heart of his worldview is that the U.S. Federal Reserve Board for years leased out large amounts of gold in paper certificates to suppress the price, thus bolstering the U.S. dollar as a reserve currency. The masterminds were Alan Greenspan, outgoing Fed chairman, and major U.S. financial institutions, GATA alleged.

The theory is that the U.S. Gold Reserve in Fort Knox does not have enough bullion on hand to meet its paper obligations. With the price rising and supply squeezed, the need to cover short positions with real gold will create a giant price increase -- and a potential crisis.

Evidence that the tide is turning, Mr. Murphy said, can be seen in the relative strength of the U.S. dollar against major currencies at the same time gold is climbing. Hence, proof that gold and the greenback are not joined at the hip, Mr. Murphy said.

GATA has some high-powered allies, including Eric Sprott, the Toronto investment manager, and his precious metals guru John Embry, both of whom attended the Dawson City meeting, Mr. Murphy said.

In his commentaries, Mr. Sprott has lent credibility to Mr. Murphy's views by citing them as possible theories behind market moves.

Mr. Murphy is "a tenacious, very tough guy," said Nick Barisheff, president of Bullion Management Group Inc., a Toronto-area fund company that invests in gold. Asked if the conspiracy view was accurate, he said: "It's something we will never know. It's like the assassination of Kennedy."

It sounds unpatriotic for an American to endorse gold at the expense of the dollar, but Mr. Murphy argues that the alleged market fixers were un-American in their manipulation.

"I think it is going to lead to a disaster," he cautioned. "What it did was take away the barometer from the little guy in America, which was wrong. In 1776 America became our country because we railed against the inequities of what the big boys were doing in England. This is what America is all about."

It's not the first time Mr. Murphy has cast himself as a patriot -- he was a Boston Patriot back in the American Football League of the 1960s. He had taken hotel management at Cornell University, where he played football.

After catching on with the Pats, he caught about 20 passes in his only season before he blew his knee out. He moved into futures trading on Wall Street.

His moment of decision came with the collapse of Long-Term Capital Management in 1998, when powerful financial institutions bailed out the U.S. hedge fund, preventing financial chaos.

Mr. Murphy expected the gold price would soar as institutions scrambled to cover the hedge fund's large short position. Instead, some major banks were selling every time gold rallied, and the collusion theory gained a convert.

Mr. Murphy said that, since he founded GATA, he has been effectively silenced in mainstream U.S. TV and newspapers. "The media have not allowed our story to be told. We are taking on the richest and most powerful people in the world."

But he has kept expounding his theories, shrugging off jeers from the sidelines. That wouldn't surprise Mike Holovak, his former coach with the Patriots. He once told The Wall Street Journal that Mr. Murphy "wasn't big in muscles and he wasn't particularly fast. But he always managed to get open and catch the passes. He took some awful licks but always came back."

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Bottom Line: The blowoff top we have just seen in gold should mark the end of the up move, and now the expectation is for most of those gains to be erased over the coming weeks and months. Inflation and rising interest rates will still be with us for another 15 months, in response to this gold spike. Resist the temptation to buy gold as a hedge against that coming inflation, as that opportunity is already passed.

Edel, das war 1996, eine ganz andere Zeit und Situation sowie Schulden, weniger Handelsdefizite, Krieg im mittleren Osten, Energieprobleme, Oilpreise etc.

Der Typ unterstuetzen das PPT wie Mahendra der staendig die Meinung aendert so wie er die Schafe lenkt. IMO

Und ich bin kein Goldfan und sehe eine Hausse bei Gold. Sonst hätte ich nicht gekauft. Verständlich, dass einige Wissende hier näher am Gold hängen, als das bei mir ist. Dennoch ist eben die sich weltweit abzeichnende Lage nicht mehr übersehbar. Man braucht sich nur mal die Preise angucken. Alles wird teurer. Ich war dieses Jahr erst wieder in den Staaten und da isses genauso. Mit dem Unterschied, dass die Wirtschaft dort noch brummt. Dazu kommt die immer größere politische Unsicherheit für die Zukunft. Und wenn alle Immobilien aufgekauft sind, dann müssen die Leute ihr Geld auch woanders anlegen.

Und dass es zu Weihnachten fast immer Gewinnmitnahmen gibt, das ist doch in jedem Investmentsektor so. Der mittelfristige Trend ist IMHO ungebrochen. Und der Trend sagt: Nordwärts. Freuen wir uns, dass wir noch so günstig nachkaufen können! Das wird vielleicht erst wieder in 20 Jahren der Fall sein (ok, da habe ich alles verkauft und rühr kein Gold mehr an :D).

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Original von Edel Man
Diese ganzen Bewegungen der letzten Tage sind höchst irrelevant
für einen Anleger,aber wichtig schon für Trader,oder die Zukaufenden.

Ja, das kann ich nachvollziehen. Ist auch nur meine Anlegersicht gewesen.

Was die kurzfristige Sicht angeht, da können aber doch auch eigentich alle glücklich sein, weil es so volatil ist, oder? Kriegt halt jeder seinen Preis - Abends billig, Morgends teuer.

Gruß retour!