Thai Guru's Gold und Silber ... (Informationen und Vermutungen)

@ Goldy

Bullenfalle ??
Passt mir gut, bei opening gekauft und schon gehts kurz auf die 7 $
Ich habe Zeit bis Dezember 2006 die 8 Dollar zu erreichen,so viel haben wir sicher bis dort hin.

Thank you all negative Analyst who think Silver is a dud.

Silver is the big surprise in our century, it will outrun even Gold.

Just watch it going up in 2006.

XEX

bei uns sagt man gänse die früh gaggern holt abends der fuchs

Zitat

Ich habe Zeit bis Dezember 2006 die 8 Dollar zu erreichen,so viel haben wir sicher bis dort hin.

Wenn Silber Ende 2006 bei 8$ stehen sollte, sind Deine 8er Calls nur leider wertlos... ich hoffe, das ist Dir bewusst

Uhhh, das wusste ich gar nicht
Ich dachte da muss man anrufen und Call schreien an Weihnachten.
Danke fuer die Belehrung, Herr Lehrer, du meinst ich bin zum ersten mal in Optionen beteiligt. Das mache ich aber schon seit 6 Jahren, oft gings aber schief,trotzdem im Schnitt im plus damit. Die Dinger verkauft man so und so ca. 3-4 Monate bevor sie auslaufen, manchmal ist das aber auch nicht richtig. Fuer so was muss man Nerven wie Drahtseile haben und wissen wann man die Kurve kratzt. Da sind dann kurz vor dem Expire Date die boesen shortseller, analysten die negativ sind und die ihre positionen schuetzen.

Genau von denen will ich meinen Gewinn, falls einer da ist.

Ich erwarte die 8 Dollar schon bis Ende dieses Jahres nebenbei bemerkt.

Aktien und vor allen Optionen sind ein Rollercoaster da gewinnt und verliert man.Keiner trifft den richtigen Zeitpunkt zu kaufen oder zu verkaufen. KEINER !!!

But lets see.....

Mfg

XEX

Gerne, wollte Dich nur vor unnoetigen Verlusten bewahren... Du kaufst 8er calls Laufzeit Ende 06 und schreibst im naechsten Posting, Du haettest ja bis Ende 06 Zeit, die 8$ zu sehen...

Werfe mir nicht vor, wenn Du nicht rechnen kannst

Nie das Theta vergessen..

ich würde mal wissen wollen ob es eine aus dem bauch entscheidung war oder wenigstens der ansatz eins systems dahintersteht

Goldy,
was soll diese frage?
Wenn die antwort lautet: aus dem Bauch.
Deine Antwort: Aha

Wenn die antwort lautet: mit System.
Deine Antwort: Welches System?

Hab auch eine Frage: Sag mal, haben sie dich viel verdroschen im staatlichen Kindergarten und in der Schule?
Oder kannst gut rennen?

Grüße
Tschonko

@ghost

wieso tust du dir das an ?

Danke für die Erklärung mit den MM. Heisst das dass der MM auch kauft und verkauft ?

Das mit dem Brief von der BuBa war aber ein guter Witz.

Mich würde interessieren ob ein OS Experte mal selbst zockt oder lässt er die Finger davon. Du könntest Kohle ohne Ende machen.

Gruss
yoyo

Was ist heute mit den Goldminen los?
Gold ist heute stark gestiegen, doch Xau und Hui fallen, gibt es gründe dazu?

Pascal

Ja wenn man Gold nicht stoppen kann dann stoppt man eben den HUI, ganz einfach. Ist schon komisch, Gold steigt fast 4 Dollar und der HUI faellt, ein verrueckter Markt mit vielen Tricks im Spiel.

Hier findet man einige Antworten:
http://www.sec.gov/rules/petit…-500/jdfinnerty050505.pdf

Und so wie bei KRY kann man es mit den anderen auch machen, aber es gibt ja keine Manipulation.
Alles dumme Verschwoerungstheorien !!!

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=12062

@ Edel Man

Also beleidige nicht so primitiv unsere "Freunde".
Sie wollen doch nur unser Bestes, ....unser Geld !!
Wenn man die alle in einen Sack steckt und drauf haut erwischt man nie den falschen. Sage bloss nichts boeses ueber die !

Cheers

XEX

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

INVESTOR ALERT--"Top 10" investment frauds

MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA (August 15, 2005) – Joseph P. Borg, Director of the Alabama Securities Commission, today released an updated list of the “Top 10” scams, risky investments or sales practice abuses they’re fighting. New to the third annual list are unscrupulous brokers, conflicts of interest in analyst research, charitable gift annuities, and oil and natural gas scams.

“Record-low interest rates and a bear market on Wall Street have created a bull market in fraud on Main Street,” said Borg. “Con artists know investors are concerned about low interest rates on fixed investments and volatility in the stock market, so they pitch their scams as safe alternatives and promise high returns – an impossible combination.”

The 2005 list was again topped by independent insurance agents selling risky or fraudulent securities. Borg said that while most independent insurance agents are honest professionals, too many are letting high commissions lure them into selling high risk or fraudulent investments.

The federal war on terror and large budget deficits at the state level are diverting or pinching resources to fight investment fraud, Borg warned.

“Putting people in jail gives investors the biggest bang for their regulatory buck,” said Borg. “So legislators at all levels need to ensure that prosecutors have sufficient resources to successfully bring securities cases.”

Here are the “Top 10” investment scams, ranked roughly in order of prevalence or seriousness:

1. Unlicensed individuals, such as independent insurance agents, selling securities. In hundreds of cases from Washington to Florida, scam artists are using high commissions to entice independent insurance agents into selling investments they may know little about. The person running the scam instructs the independent sales force – usually insurance agents but sometimes investment advisers and accountants – to promise high returns with little or no risk. For example:

In an alleged scam sold almost entirely by independent insurance agents, investors in at least 14 states lost close to $30 million. According to Ohio securities regulators, money raised from the sale of fictitious limited partnerships was used to make interest payments to another group of promissory note investors. Both groups were promised double-digit returns. The promoter falsely claimed he had a lucrative “connection” to the Federal Bureau of Investigation and that he had earned Ph.D.’s in finance from Oxford and Ohio State University – claims insurance agents used to sell the scam. In April a court issued a preliminary injunction and appointed a receiver in connection with the allegations.
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Earlier this month, an Arizona insurance agent was sentenced to 10 years in prison for selling $1.8 million in worthless stock and bogus promissory notes to investors. Another Arizona insurance agent was sentenced in May to five years in prison for scamming 32 elderly investors out of nearly $2 million by first soliciting them to purchase ‘living trusts’ and then switching them into annuities and finally into bogus promissory notes. A third Arizona insurance agent, working with his two sons, scammed $16.2 million by selling high risk brokered CDs, viatical contracts, real estate deals and equipment leases. They were ordered to repay all $16.2 million and fined another $133,000.

To verify that a person is licensed or registered to sell securities, call the Alabama Securities Commission. If the person is not registered, don’t invest.

2. Unscrupulous stockbrokers. The declining stock market has caused some brokers to cut corners or resort to outright fraud, say state securities regulators. In addition, some investors have grown more cautious and are scrutinizing their brokerage statements for unexplained fees, unauthorized trades or other irregularities. In North Dakota, regulators acting on a complaint from an investors who received conflicting account statements discovered that two brokers working for H.D. Vest Investment Securities Inc. had been issued fictitious account statements executed hundreds of unauthorized trades and made unsuitable recommendations – over 80 percent of their clients were trading put options – to investors. Under a settlement agreement with state securities regulators, H.D. Vest agreed to repay clients’ out-of-pocket losses plus 6 percent, totaling over $3.2 million.

In New York, the attorney general’s office took action against seven brokers and two firms for bilking hundreds of elderly investors out of more than $12.5 million through a pay telephone scam. The brokers pressured investors into liquidating their CDs, annuities and IRAs, sometimes at significant penalty, and promised them “risk-free” 14 percent returns. So far one firm has agreed to pay $5.9 million in restitution.

3. Analyst research conflicts. In May, the New York Attorney General’s office concluded a 10-month investigation into whether Merrill Lynch had issued misleading research reports by entering into a settlement agreement with the firm. Under the agreement, Merrill Lynch agreed to pay a $100 million fine and make significant changes to way it does business. NASAA is assisting a multi-state task force investigating conflict of interest issues at Wall Street firms. The primary focus of the ongoing investigation is to determine whether analysts issued glowing research reports and made buy recommendations in order to win investment banking business. State investigators are now reviewing materials provided by a dozen firms for possible securities law violations.

In June NASAA learned of an attempt by Morgan Stanley Dean Witter to amend an early version of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act with language that would have ended the states’ probe into whether Wall Street analysts intentionally misled investors. NASAA held a press conference and met with lawmakers; the draft amendment was ultimately not included in the bill.

4. Promissory notes. These are short-term debt instruments often sold by independent insurance agents and issued by little-known or non-existent companies promising high returns – upwards of 15 percent monthly – with little or no risk.

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In June, four Georgia-based scam artists were each sentenced to 17 ½ years in prison for recruiting independent insurance agents to sell millions of dollars worth of bogus promissory notes. While investors were promised nine-month returns as high as 21 percent, half of each investment went straight to commissions that were divided among company principals and sales agents. Acting on a tip from the Better Business Bureau, Georgia securities regulators seized nearly $5 million of the $8 million stolen from local investors and, together with federal investigators, used the evidence uncovered to broaden their investigation and prepare criminal charges. In the end, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, working with Georgia regulators, found the ringleader – Virgil Womack – had scammed over $150 million from investors nationwide. Of the $150 million, nearly $90 million was seized and returned to investors. The average age of the victims was 68.

In another case, a Maine court sentenced an insurance agent to seven years in prison for running a promissory note scam that took 25 investors for more than $1 million. The agent, who was sentenced in June, told investors the notes were “better than certificates of deposit and life insurance policies,” regulators said, and that they would yield 10 percent to 12 percent returns annually.

“A 12 percent return may not seem over-the-top by bull market standards, but it’s far more than banks are offering now for insured deposits,” said Chris Bruenn, administrator for the Maine Office of Securities.

5. Prime banks. Scammers promise investors triple-digit returns through access to the investment portfolios of the world’s elite banks. Purveyors of these schemes often target conspiracy theorists, promising access to the “secret” investments used by the Rothschilds or Saudi royalty.

In Texas, a Harlingen-based con artist promised returns of 6 percent to 8 percent a month through a secretive web of money dealers supposedly set up by a coalition of governments in 1914 to pay for World War I debt. In videotape shown at Monday’s press conference, the promoter claimed that seven “world traders” control the entire global money supply. In the end, the scam took over 300 investors for roughly $6 million.

6. Viatical settlements. Originated as a way to help the gravely ill pay their bills, these interests in the death benefits of terminally ill patients are always risky and sometimes fraudulent. The insured gets a percentage of the death benefit in cash and investors get a share of the death benefit when the insured dies. Because of uncertainties predicting when someone will die, these investments are extremely speculative. In a new twist, Pennsylvania regulators say “senior settlements” – interests in the death benefits of healthy older people – are now being offered to investors.

In June, 15 individuals were indicted in connection with a scam that cost hundreds of investors nationwide at least $100 million. State securities and insurance regulators, together with federal regulators, allege the individuals, employed by Liberte Capital Group, were involved in a scheme to buy life insurance policies from terminally ill individuals who lied to insurance companies about their medical conditions. Liberte managers used investor funds to support lavish lifestyles, including investments and the purchase of large homes and dozens of boats and cars. A receiver has been appointed in the case.

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7. Affinity fraud. Many scammers use their victim’s religious or ethnic identity to gain their trust – knowing that it’s human nature to trust people who are like you – and then steal their life savings. From “gifting” programs at some churches to foreign exchange scams targeted at Asian Americans, no group seems to be without con artists who seek to take advantage of the trust of others.

In Alabama, nine individuals have been charged with scamming members at the Daystar Assembly of God church in Prattville out of more than $3 million. Investors were told their money would be used to purchase retirement properties in Florida. The income generated by the Florida properties would be used to payoff the mortgage of the Prattville church and build a large activity park, investors were told. In reality, state securities regulators allege, the money went to pay off investors in a previous scam and to purchase equipment for unrelated businesses.

8. Charitable gift annuities. These annuities are transfers of cash or property to a charitable organization. The value of the annuity is less than the value of the cash or property, with the difference constituting a charitable donation. While most annuities offered by charitable organizations are legitimate investments, investors should be cautious of little-known organizations or those that provide only sketchy information.

In Arizona, regulators uncovered a scam that took 430 investors nationwide for an average of $133,000. The scam involved the purchase of charitable gift annuities from the Mid-America Foundation. According to regulators, Robert Dillie, founder of Mid-America, ran what amounted to a $54 million Ponzi scheme through a network of independent insurance agents, financial planners and accountants. Dillie used investors funds to purchase three homes in Las Vegas, a ranch in South Dakota, pay child support, book charter flights and support his extensive gambling.

“Unfortunately, Mid-America is not an isolated scam,” Mark Sendrow, director of securities for the Arizona Corporation Commission told reporters Monday. “We are looking at two more foundations in the Phoenix area which have issued millions of dollars of charitable gift annuities in the last few years, and both were basically penniless before they began issuing them.”

9. Oil and gas schemes. These scams follow the headlines, rising in frequency with predictions of oil shortages or a rise in gas prices. In Arkansas, securities regulators forced Energy Consultants and Ark-La-Tex Consulting Co., L.L.C. to discontinue their marketing efforts after finding a natural gas well touted to investors as a ‘can’t lose’ opportunity hadn’t produced natural gas in years.

10. Equipment leasing. While the vast majority of equipment leasing deals are legitimate, thousands of investors have been scammed by individuals selling interests in payphones, ATMs or Internet kiosks. In a typical equipment leasing scam, a company sells a piece of equipment through a middleman. As part of the sale, the company agrees to lease back and service the equipment for a fee. Investors are promised high returns with little or no risk. But state regulators say high commissions paid to salesmen and promised returns that are unrealistically high doom many projects. In North Carolina, regulators took action against an individual who sold an Internet kiosk to an investor for $24,950, promising a 17 percent return. The individual had previously sold payphone leases to investors from a company that later filed for bankruptcy.

Before investing, state securities regulators urge investors to call their offices and ask if the individual selling the investment is licensed to do so. Regulators say investors can also save themselves a lot of grief by asking a second question – whether the investment itself is registered. To check out an investment or salesperson, contact the Alabama Securities Commission:

ein paar Tips:

lass dich einfach nicht provozieren. Wie?

Begegne unüberlegten und undurchdachten Kommentaren mit
sauber überlegten und durchdachten Antworten.

Oft mag ein Kommentar auf deine Posts - das trifft auch allgemein auf alle auf uns zu - einfach auf einen gewissen, allgemeinen Zorn und Entäuschung beruhen. Du/Wir bist/sind dann, eher zufällig, ein Ventil für all das.

Begegne nie einen Angriff auf die gleiche Art und Weise. Denke erst darüber nach, welcher Beweggrund den Angriff verursacht haben mag. Entgegne mit Geduld und - Respekt - und seriöser Ernsthaftigkeit .

Ich habe es - leider nur allzuoft - auf verschiedenen Foren erlebt, das
sich Menschen, welche gleiche oder ähnliche Beweggründe hatten, eher
feindselig begegneten - anstelle das Gemeinsame herauszustreichen -
augenscheinlich besitzt ein jeder von uns auch ein Ego - aber wir
sollten in der Lage sein, es zu zügeln.

Im Zweifel empfehle ich, um die Beweggründe der Menschen zu verstehen und zu begreifen:

Sun Tsu : Die Kunst des Krieges (meine pers. No. 1)
(China, ca. 400 - 300 vor Chr)

Miamoto Musashi: Go Rin No Sho - Das Buch der fünf Ringe
(Japan, 17. Jahrhundert), (Es war mal meine No. 1, aber mit
zunehmendem Alter entdecke ich eine verborgene Düsterheit
bei Mushashi, welcher ich nicht beipflichten kann)

Macchiavelli: Der Fürst, Ill Arte de Guerre)
(12. Jahrhundert )
"Der Fürst " ist einfach aus dem Gesichtspunkt der damaligen Zeit
geschrieben worden. Und es war eine äusserst harte und grausame Zeit.
Ich denke daher dass der Begriff des "Macchiavellismus" etwas entscheidendes verbirgt. Er wird negativ angesehen. Nichtsdestotrotz
wird das Konzept heute in Politik und Wirtschaft - nahezu - perfekt ausgeübt.

John McDonald : Strategies in Poker, Business and War
(USA, 1949) (Das ist z. Zt . meine No. 2)

Germoney

@ Germoney

Danke fuer diese Tipps ich werde mich bemuehen.

Jedoch bin bestimmt kein Phsyciater hier wenn Bull (IMHO) daherkommt und lege sie Herren noch auf die Couch.
Ich habe ebenso meine Emotionen und bin sozusagen ein Mensch der "gerade aus" ist.
Wer meinen Humor oder Witze nicht versteht der soll am besten in den Keller gehen und spaeter lachen wenn er kann.
Ich bin ein freier Mensch der sich seine Meinung schon laengst gebildet hat und sich nur mehr selber was etwas beweisen muss.
Ich lebe und reagiere nach meinen Erwartungen und bestimmt nicht nach anderen.

Manchmal habe ich einfach keinen Bock/Zeit dass ich sauber ueberlegt und mit ""durchdachten"" darauf antworte, noch dazu auf Kommentare von frustrierten oder veraergerten Leuten vom anderen Lager die eine bad Karma haben und sie dann loshaben wenn ich mich/euch dann aufrege. Aufregen ist nicht gesund und diese Leute sollen ihren K- Eimer behalten. Ich mag auch keine Leute die eine gute Stimmung ruinieren wollen, verstehst du das ?

Ich bin bestimmt kein Ventil oder Abfalleimer fuer feindseeligen Leuten und reagiere manchmal anders als du vorschlaegst.

Ich habe kein Problem jemanden Futzek zu sagen wenn er mir auf den Keks geht.
Das Wort versteht jeder in RSA ! :D, selbst ein Zulu.

Ich bin in der University of Life und habe schon einiges erlebt und gespuert, da brauche ich keine Oberlehrer und Vereinsmeierei die glauben sie sind die Oberschlauen auf der verrueckten Welt in der wir leben.

Ich bin es bestimmt nicht, man lernt naehmlich nie aus, erst wenn das Leben vorbei ist auch die Lektion vorbei.

Danke fuer deine Buchtipps, ich lese gerne alte Weisheiten falls ich nicht am Computer sitze und Geister antworte.

History repeats itself, just watch it .

Gold and Silber will be back ! :))

Gruss

Eldorado

Ps. Mein Buchtipp ist... weil er so nuts ist:
David Icke, ....And the truth shall set you free, vom Verlag, Bridge of Love.
Das vererbe ich meinen Kindern, so nuts ist es !

Reviewer: Greg Quinn (South Africa) -

David Icke has been researching the 'Illuminati' or 'enlightened ones' aka those with 'all the knowledge' for over 25 years now. These people are the same few that control all global events and the world money system. With this type of power, anything is, and has been possible.

Icke's research and references are solid. He doesn't make stories up, but rather puts together factual pieces of information and looks at similarities and starts building puzzles that become clearer and clearer.

Give this book a chance, if you are a skeptic or not, read it from cover to cover, then start criticising, this book one very well written, well researched text that will blow your mind and give you some real 'enlightenment'...

Hallo, Eldorado,

Ich sehe gerade, dass es bei dir in der RSA wohl eher früh als
noch spät ist, daher eine kurze Antwort:

Erstmal vielen Dank.

Dann noch:

"History repeats itself, just watch it "

Hmm, ich halte es da mehr mit Mark Twain:

"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes"

Mach's gut und schlaf gut , ich verpiesel mich jetzt auch in die Koje.

Gute Nacht
von Germoney

Thats it !

History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes"

Gnight, over and out

XEX