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    Jetzt wird wohl zum großen Schlag gegen den "Anti-Dollar" ausgeholt:


    G7 approves IMF gold sales - Italy econ minister


    http://uk.reuters.com/article/…sUS/idUKL0969041520080209


    Besonders bei dieser Formulierung ziehts mir die Schuhe aus:


    Zitat

    "The IMF is rich, if it wants to be," he wrote in a recent note to clients, issued before the G7's approval of the gold sales. "This is arguably a good time to consider selling some of these gold holdings and investing the proceeds in financial securities with positive yields."


    Was wollen die dann für das Gold kaufen: US-Staatanleihen X(, den Rest der Subprime-Scheiße X( ,,,,,?


    Eigentlich ein Eingestämdnis der absoluten Hilflosigkeit, aber auch ein Signal für die Leute, die das Spiel durchschaut haben und auf die Währung Gold setzten: ihr habt keine Chance, kehrt zum Fiat-Money zurück und alles wird gut.

    Einfach ignorieren diese Angstmacherei. Wenn man wirklich eine größere Menge verkaufen will, kündigt man das doch nicht vorher an und macht sich damit den Preis kaputt. Ist ähnlich wie bei Aktienempfehlungen - wer lautstark für ein Papier Werbung macht ist selbst längst voll investiert.

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    Die alten chinesischen Goldaufkäufer haben ihre Tage, wenn der IMF blutet....


    Siehe Sinclair in seiner gestrigen Mitteilung an die goldbugs http://www.jsmineset.com


    Gemach, Sinclair hat den Durchblick! ('...not an ounce will see the free market....')


    Gruss,
    Lucky

    Die Amis haetten gerne das z.B. Gold von Deutschland in die Subprime Mess geht damit einige in ihren Haus bleiben duerfen, die Welt soll fuer die Haeuser und Schulden zahlen....diese Ausbeuter exportierten ihre Schulden schoen verpackt und nun sollen die anderen ihr Gold dafuer hinlegen und den Schaden ausgleichen.

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    Zitat

    Original von Eldorado
    Parasitenvolk X(


    Was bedeutet das HaBi-Defizit seit Jahren, in einer Grösse, die der Planet noch nie gesehen hat?



    TRIBUTZAHLUNG ! In einer Dimension, die der Planet noch nie gesehen hat!



    "Whom the Gods want to destroy, they first make him mad!



    Lucky
    (weg, Wetter zu schön, für einmal wieder)


    Nur mal so zur Information für Amerika Verächter: Die USA sind das einzige Land, das nennenswerte Kapazitäten für Nahrungsmittelexporte hat!


    Bei einem Ölpreis ab 50$/Barrel lohnt es sich weltweit Biomasse und vor allem auch Korn zur Treibstoffgewinnung (Ethanol) zu nutzen.


    Will sagen: Der entscheidende Exportartikel eines Landes wird in Zukunft nicht Öl sein und schon gar nicht EM sondern Nahrungsmittel, sobald sich deren Preise in Relation zum Öl angepasst haben.
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    These: Das Handelsbilanzdefizit der USA wird über Nahrungsmittelexporte abgebaut und zwar präziser Nahrungsmitteleporte in die Länder, die das auch bezahlen können (OPEC).
    Überbevölkerte Länder ohne Eigenerzeugungschance wie Ägypten springen dabei über die Klinge.


    Wasser und landwirtschaftlich nutzbare Flächen sind die entscheidenden Ressourcen eines Landes und nichts sonst!


    Gruß BM

    Gold Bull May Have Just Two to Three Years Left to Run


    CAPE TOWN (ResourceInvestor.com) -- In an interview with Lindsay Williams for Resource Investor, Paul Walker, CEO of precious metals consultancy GFMS, says the end of the gold bull market may be just 2 to 3 years ahead.


    RESOURCE INVESTOR: Of course, right on cue as the Mining Indaba starts, the commodity price complex starts to fall. The gold price down not hugely, but down at $890-$891 at the moment. But the end of the gold bull run may be 2 to 3 years away. That’s according to Paul Walker, the CEO of precious metals consultancy GFMS. That’s what he said yesterday as the Indaba opened. And he’s on the line now from Cape Town.


    Paul, a lot of excitement in the precious metals market. Are you starting to get the sense that it’s getting a little bit overheated there?


    PAUL WALKER: I think there are elements of overheating emerging in this market and our house view floor for some time as being fairly bullish. But you can start to detect the stresses and strains, especially in gold on the supply and demand balances. Let’s call ourselves somewhat fundamentalists in our view of gold, and we feel that the long-term trends in this market have to eventually be determined by the balances of supply and demand. We’re starting to see stresses and strains within those balances given current price levels.


    Obviously jewellery demand is a lot lower. We’re seeing mine production being sustained at relatively high levels. The scrap market’s being fairly robust. And all of these issues just give cause for concern as to the ultimate sustainability of this rally, especially if we find, as we expect will happen, investors exit this market at some time in the future.....


    ......Where we stand at the moment I still think there’s those risks exist and which is why people are still moving into gold, and indeed why we’re seeing gold at $900 plus prices. But there will come a juncture where gold has served its purpose. And I think it would be naïve for us to believe that people will just hold gold in perpetuity because they feel that it constantly adds to their portfolio.


    There will be a readjustment of those portfolios at some time in the future when other investments look more attractive. And that’s when I think we start to see the pressure on gold emerging, and potentially the kind of down cycle where expectations feed on expectations. And we could see a relatively sharp ratcheting down of the gold price in two to three year’s time.....


    full story: http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=40334


    ...kann man hören und/oder lesen - ich meine es lohnt sich :)
    und - auch wenn es früh ist - nachdenken was/wann "danach" zu machen ist


    linar :)

    merci @Hoka (SCN)


    Mobilization of IMF gold just a sign of central bank desperation
    Submitted by cpowell on Sat, 2008-02-09 18:44. Section: Daily Dispatches


    11:37a MT Saturday, February 9, 2008


    Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:


    Before panicking about the Reuters story appended here, reporting that the G7 conference in Tokyo likes the idea that the International Monetary Fund should raise money for itself by selling some of its gold reserves, consider a few things.


    1) The prospect of gold sales by the IMF has been hanging over the gold market for years.


    2) For almost a decade now central bank gold sales have been accompanied by higher gold prices, not lower prices. Gold demand has been exceeding gold production by about a thousand tonnes per year, the gap being covered only by central bank dishoarding. Even with the rising price gold production is declining, the price still not being high enough to make greater production generally profitable.


    3) Mobilization of IMF gold suggests that individual central bank gold reserves are nearing exhaustion or that individual central banks are no longer willing to dishoard what they have left.


    4) There's no assurance that the IMF has the gold attributed to it and no report as to where the gold its kept. Further, as the Reuters story here acknowledges, any gold sales by the IMF would require approval by the U.S. Congress, which has opposed the idea in the past. This opposition has been offered in the name of supporting developing countries whose economies rely to a great extent on gold mining, but given the secrecy and unaccountability around the gold reserves of various nations, including the United States itself, it is fair to wonder whether the opposition is not also a matter of concealing some impairment of the IMF gold.


    5) Though it is never questioned by the financial press, the rationale that continues to be offered for selling the IMF's gold is plainly ridiculous. That rationale is, as the Reuters story here reports, that the IMF gold should be liquidated and the proceeds invested "in financial securities with positive yields." But what "yields" could be more positive than the "yield" acknowledged for the IMF gold, an increase in value of 400 percent in five years? Is the IMF supposed to be happier with government bonds paying 4 percent per year against inflation rates several times that?


    6) Those who want gold restored as the independent arbiter of the international financial system should be thrilled if all central banks and the IMF dishoarded all their gold at once and got out of the gold market for good. Until then, there really won't be a market price for gold, just a desperately manipulated one, a price well below the cost of production -- still a bargain.


    CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
    Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.
    http://www.gata.org/node/5986


    ...der Congress und GS vielleicht nicht einer Meinung ;) :rolleyes: :]


    linar :)

    Glaube kaum, daß es bei 1.000 $/Unze bleiben wird, was den weiteren Verlauf des Jahres 2008 angeht.


    Geht die erste größere Euro-Bank hops, sind schnell Goldkurse jenseits von 1.000 EUR/Unze möglich.


    Bin schon mal gespannt, wie am Montag die Börsen in Asien und Europa eröffnen werden.....

    Zitat

    Original von mesodor39
    Glaube kaum, daß es bei 1.000 $/Unze bleiben wird, was den weiteren Verlauf des Jahres 2008 angeht.


    Geht die erste größere Euro-Bank hops, sind schnell Goldkurse jenseits von 1.000 EUR/Unze möglich.


    Bin schon mal gespannt, wie am Montag die Börsen in Asien und Europa eröffnen werden.....


    Hallo,


    zu tausend § Dollar fehlen ja nur noch 8,4 %.
    Gold und Silber dürfen auch nicht zu schnell steigen, langsam ist besser.


    Gruß Blaubronco

    Tja Bronco, nur wenn es schneller geht als erwartet habe ich mit denen, die immer und immer und immer wieder billiger und noch billiger einkaufen wollen KEIN MITLEID!


    Die letzte Woche war gut um von Cash in PM zu gehen! Klug war, wer es getan hat!


    Mesodor, der Anstieg wird radikal, wenn offensichtlich wird, dass "einfach nichts mehr geht".
    An diesem Punkt stehen wir im Derivatebereich z.T. schon.


    Wenn die Gold-Shorts ein Attacke jenseits der 1000fachen Sprengkraft von Nagasaki - und das werden sie bald - erfahren, dann gnade jedem der Herr, der nicht vorgesorgt hat!


    Die Minen sehe ich als Schmankerl, falls keine Konfiskation erfolgt. Ohne Risiko und dem Dolch kurz vor meinem Hals mag ich auch nicht leben. :D


    Der "Baron IMF Indicator" zeigt steigende Kurse für die nächste Woche an! Die 966 USD werden wir spätestens zum 21. gesehen haben!


    Mich pers. reizen aber mehr die 20 USD beim POS - spätestens Anfang Mai! 8)

    The Group of Seven rich nations on Saturday approved the sale of gold by the International Monetary Fund from April as part of a broad reform of its budget, Italian Economy Minister Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa said. "There was an acceptance among the G7 that resources should be raised by selling gold," Padoa-Schioppa, who is also the head of the IMF's steering committee (IMFC), told reporters after a meeting of G7 finance ministers in Tokyo.


    This news amuses me. The need to manipulate gold markets is very strong with the G7 imperialists. And they are really angry that both communistic Russia and very communist China are using gold as a form of currency base. Not directly but indirectly. This gold is part of their 'sovereign wealth' system. It isn't just the huge accumulations of euros, dollars and yen in their FOREX reserves but accumulating gold. Both Russia and China are big gold producers. Both have internal gold markets that have its own pricing systems. Both use their gold reserves to boost their FOREX holdings.



    The horns of dilemma here are easy to spot: if the price of gold drops, of course, all the people trying to evade the 1% interest rate regime being enforced increasingly by the G7 will have no where to go and will be forced to play the G7 game. But Russia and China are not part of this conspiracy. So the gold will flow to them. If they buy up cheaper gold, eventually they will take it all in and the climb in gold will resume if the G7 have 1% interest rates! This dynamic can't be stopped.



    If the G7 insist on this regime, the value of gold will climb after 2 years of this sell-off attempt. Meanwhile, gold buyers will have to hold their gold purchases. This buys the G7 time to play this super-low interest game. And time is what they want! Their plan is for this to force all wealth into the depression-style system we see in Japan. This means they can drop prices and 'inflation' will die due to money moving very sluggishly instead of fast, from country to country, bank to bank. Time is money! And low interest means money can sit and die for a long time! And during this time, the bankers can reorganize themselves and clean out their risks and dump it all on tax payers. And they are busy doing this right now! If Russia and China let them.


    February 10, 2008


    Elaine Meinel Supkis


    ...na ich hoffe nicht nur Russia and China DON'T let them


    linar :)

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