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    Copper, Oil, & Silver
    by Jason Hommel
    July 20, 2005


    So, do you feel you missed out on investing in oil since it made the move from $10/barrel to $60/barrel? Don't worry, not all commodities move up at the same time, so this means there is the opportunity to invest in those that have lagged behind, such as silver and/or copper.


    It is important to look at charts of ratios between commodities. For a good site with these charts, see sharelynx.com, (access for paid subscribers only).


    In 1980, at the prior peak prices for both silver and oil, oil hit about $43/barrel, and silver hit $50/oz. In other words, an ounce of silver was worth more than a barrel of oil.


    At the recent low prices of silver and oil, a few years ago, silver languished at $5/oz., and oil bottomed out at $10/barrel.


    Using those high/low prices as guides, and given the price of oil today, silver should be somewhere between $30 to $60 per ounce! Either that, or oil should be worth between $7 and $14/barrel. But which is more realistic?


    My point is that if you are bullish on oil, you should invest in silver instead, because in the long run, silver will surely outperform oil prices as the ratios return to historic ratios of 2:1 or 1:1. See also "Of Oil and Silver", by Yi-Chang Wang, April, 2005. http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/wang040405.html


    Wang point out that a historic divergence between oil and silver was in 1974-76, when oil was at $14-16/barrel, and silver at $4-6, for a ratio of about 3.7. Today, the ratio is over 8! Wang makes the dramatic conclusion that 0.1% of the Oil industry is $2.3 billion, which, if it went into silver, would overwhelm the silver market, and I agree. (Remember, the Huntbrother's oil money, and Arab oil money went into silver in the 1970's.)


    Furthermore, remember the advantages of silver and why silver is used as money, and why oil isn't. People who wish to invest about $5000 can either invest in about 90 barrels of oil or buy 1 bag of silver that weighs 55 pounds. Which is easier? The silver is infinitely more convenient to buy and store! The masses are never going to store oil in barrels on their front lawns. But the masses will return to buying silver and gold as paper money continues to lose value.


    And what about copper? At current prices of $1.60/lb., $5000 is 3125 pounds. Again, it's not nearly as convenient as 55 pounds of silver! Furthermore, most copper is produced in a form that is inconvenient to store, such as pipes or wire! Copper's recent low price was $.70/lb.


    I'm interested in copper because I have invested in several silver exploration companies that also happen to have copper with their silver, such as O.T. Mining (OTMN.PK), Mines Management (MGN), and Capstone Gold (CSG.TO). Just in the course of keeping track of my stock picks, I've watched copper prices rise over 100% in the last few years.


    The copper market may be getting ready to see prices explode upwards. Now, if copper moved up 6 times like oil has, copper would be $4.20/lb.! I don't think that's unrealistic, since the oil market is probably more than ten times bigger than the copper market, and it's much easier for smaller markets to see greater volatility.


    Copper, like silver and oil, is traded on the abominable futures markets where liars make promises to deliver things that they do not have. Call it "phantom" copper, these excess promises to deliver copper that does not exist. To see my full disdain for the other participants in the futures markets, see my essay, "The Moral Failures of the Paper Longs." January 2003 http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_03/hommel012203.html


    The most interesting data in the copper market is the copper in the warehouses at the LME and the NYMEX. You can find this data here:
    http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/copper_historical.html


    The LME is down to only 28,000 tonnes of copper left, down from about 1 million tonnes in 2002.


    The NYMEX is down to only 13,500 tonnes of copper left.


    It appears to me that both of these piles of copper will be gone in about two months, say, by the end of August, 2005. By that time, or sooner or later, perhaps we will see the end of copper trading on the LME and NYMEX if those markets default!


    Here are a few recent articles on copper:
    FOCUS: Copper Bias Remains On Upside In Near Term -- Monday June 27
    http://au.biz.yahoo.com/050627/18/525x.html


    Key Excerpts: "Driving the market are the lowest warehouse stocks in more than three decades, with no signs of an immediate turnaround. Last week, stockpiles on the Shanghai Futures Exchange fell 1.4% to 29,762 tons, while LME stocks shrank 7% to 32,100 tons.


    China's sustained demand is a key component in the supportive short-term fundamental picture, Rennie said, pointing to recent data indicating China's copper imports and consumption generally will remain strong.


    In addition, the Shanghai exchange has been something of a price maker in recent sessions, largely shrugging off downside pressure from the LME and New York's Comex mid last week, he said. "


    My comments: The LME and COMEX are clearly involved in price capping, by selling excessive amounts of futures contracts. They now have the lowest inventories in 30 years?! And it appears that China is calling the bluff, and taking delivery of inventory! China is not just some "speculative long" who is engaging in "manipulation". China needs copper for the things they make for us, and also for their own developing infrastructure!


    The point is that China is not going to be bullied out of the copper markets by manipulative regulation changes that favor those people who are selling short "phantom" copper!


    Next article:
    Shanghai Copper Falls; Strike at Placer Mine in Chile Ends -- July 12 (Bloomberg)
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…pjF34&refer=latin_america


    Key Excerpt: Chinese copper output may rise to 2.45 million tons, from 2.035 million tons last year, Yang Changhua, an analyst with Antaike, said in an interview from Beijing. Antaike is a research unit of the China Nonferrous Metals Industry Association.


    Next article:
    Commodity Strategists: Copper to Fall, Canaccord Says -- July 19 (Bloomberg)
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…aIG7_ykmiRDs&refer=canada


    Key Excerpts:


    Copper prices, which reached a 16-year high of $1.61 on June 17, will remain above $1 a pound on average through 2007, said Barnes, who was rated the top metals and mining analyst in Canada this year in a survey by research company Brendan Wood International. Copper averaged less than $1 from 1998 to 2002.


    Prices rose 41 percent last year as consumption in China, the world's largest buyer of the metal, climbed, leaving a supply shortage of 755,000 metric tons, according to estimates from the Lisbon-based International Copper Study Group.


    Global copper demand exceeded supply by 59,000 tons in the first three months this year, compared with a deficit of 452,000 tons a year earlier, according to the International Copper Study Group. The gap is narrowing as mining companies increase production.


    My comments: First, who is "Brendan Wood International" who endorses Barnes's view that copper prices are headed lower? Thank the Lord for google.com. see http://www.brendanwood.com/


    If you go to their web site, you can see that they are consultants to the big moneylenders, and active promoters of derivatives. To me, that appears that they have a stronger bias than I have--and my bias is as a Christian and a shareholder in the companies I mentioned above.


    But more importantly, the headline in the last article does not seem to match the facts! There is still a deficit in copper of about 20,000 tons per month! That means the LME and NYMEX stocks could be completely used up in about 2 months! Further, given the rates that copper has been leaving the LME and COMEX warehouses, that figure seems about right!


    A default of futures contracts in the copper market could lead people to understand the fraudulent nature and harmful effects of naked short selling in the silver and gold markets. Perhaps in a month or two, or perhaps by the end of the year, I think we will see something that will be long remembered, and could change the landscape of American markets forever.


    Besides the three silver/copper explorers that I hold (OTMN.PK, MGN, CSG.TO), here are a few other silver/copper companies that I do not own, but you might consider examining:
    Explorers: Western Silver (WTZ) (formerly Western Copper), CHARIOT RESOURCES (CHD.V CHDSF.PK)
    Producers: Polska Miedz (KGHM), Grupo Mexico (GMBXF.PK)


    On July 15th, I produced a new silver stock report, #57, at
    http://www.silverstockreport.c…/silverstockreport57.html

    "Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood." Henry Miller

  • Auf minesite .com gibt es immer folgenden Artikel:


    That Was The Week That Was …. In London And Frankfurt


    Hier ist der Link:


    http://www.minesite.com/storyFull.php?storySeq=2891


    Das Lustige an der Geschichte ist aber folgender Auszug, den man sich auf der Zunge zergehen lassen kann:
    (wurde auf w.o. schön gwepusht)


    Now let’s move to movers on the upside. At the most speculative end was OTC listed company Great West Gold, which is only listed on the smaller German Berlin-Bremen. This stock doubled last week with volumes of a few hundred million shares traded in Germany every day. It was all down to the lunatics on the chatboards who tend to do no research. I looked at the last official SEC filing and found out that this company has the unbelievable number of 10.3 billion (!) shares outstanding and has zero cash in the bank and liabilities of around US$900.000. Some very stupid investors didn’t understand they are buying a worthless shell company with no real assets despite some gold mining claims in Arizona and a market capitalisation still above US$14 million. Hopefully this stock will be delisted from the German exchange sooner rather than later.
    Minews. I always had an idea that German investors were quite sensible. Clearly I am wrong. Anything else going on?
    :D :D :D :D



    Grüße
    Tschonko

    "Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood." Henry Miller

  • Tschonko,
    unglaublich, dass dieses gepushe auf W :O noch immer klappt, bei Energulf fast das gleiche....


    Zitat

    always had an idea that German investors were quite sensible...


    Wie kam er denn darauf? [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.bullfire.de/images/smilies/biggrin.gif]

    „Die Menschen sind so einfältig und hängen so sehr vom Eindruck des Augenblickes ab, dass einer, der sie täuschen will, stets jemanden findet, der sich täuschen lässt.“ (Niccolò Machiavelli)

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    Tschonko
    The Merowinger


    Das fragt man sich tatsächlich ?(


    Über Energulf habe ich vor längerem ein Thread reingestelt "Kursrakete oder Megaflop".
    Das in der Hoffnung, daß sich jemand outet. Aber nix da, jedem das Seine. :]


    Grüsse

  • Goldy p.,
    der link funzt nicht.
    Vielleicht könntest du (eigentlich alle) bei links dazuschreiben, worum es geht. So ein bis 2 Sätze, damit es nicht in Arbeit ausartet. :D


    Grüße
    Tschonko

    "Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood." Henry Miller

  • ich wollte euch nich mit sinnlosem geposte belästigen @ tschonko :P


    der link geht kopiert nich keine ahnung warum das so is, es geht darum das man jetzt bei minen einsteigen soll...kanste auf goldseiten nachlesen

  • Ja, hab´s selbst probiert, der geht nicht der Link.


    Ich finde den Artikel von Faber interessanter:
    Gute Zustandsbeschreibung + Volatilität + VIX Index


    http://www.goldseiten.de/conte…/artikel.php?storyid=1449


    Zu deiner Frage kann ich dir auch nichts sagen, ist mir aber egal.


    Grüße
    Tschonko

    "Confusion is a word we have invented for an order which is not understood." Henry Miller

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  • Hat jemand eine Erklärung für den plötzlichen Einbruch beim Silberkurs auf 6,86 $ vor ein paar Minuten ?


    Ist schon reichlich komisch oder ist es ein Ausreißer ?


    Gruß


    Silbertaler


    Nachtrag: ein war offensichtlich ein Ausreißer, der Kurs ist innerhalb weniger Minuten wieder auf 7,04 $ gesprungen.

  • vShen Xiangrong, Leiter der Shanghai Gold Exchange, sagte in einem Interview, dass Chinas Goldkonsum in diesem Jahr um 20% auf 12,86 Millionen Unzen steigen wird. Des weiteren fügte er hinzu, dass die Goldnachfrage aufgrund der Währungsaufwertung um 2,1% weiter zunehmen wird. Außerdem rät Mister Shen der Regierung in Peking sich auf den Kauf von physischem Gold zu konzentrieren um damit das Risiko der US Dollar Reserven abzufedern. Laut den letzten Angaben sind diese nämlich um 16,6% auf fast schon unglaubliche 711 Milliarden US Dollar angestiegen. Augrund der Abwertung des Dollars gegen den Yuan nimmt auch der Wert der Reserven weiter ab. Shen Xiangrong sieht hier als einzige Lösung eine Umschichtung eines Teils der großen Reserven in Gold. Laut Angaben der chinesischen Zentralbank sind die Goldreserven in diesem Jahr unverändert bei 19,290 Millionen Unzen geblieben. gf Freut uns doch


    Gruß Jürgen

  • @ jürgen


    Ich mag die Chinesen,die werden die nummer eins und lieben Gold wie die Inder, sie beide wissen warum.
    Man kauft heimlich und geduldigt,man will ja den preis nicht selber hochdrehen. :D
    Der Amerikaner wird durch den Dollar besiegt,mit dem überdruckten Dollar besiegte er andere,bald kommt die Retourkutsche für deren Aussenpolitik und Raubritterschaft.
    Man muss nur Geduld haben. ;)What goes round,comes around !


    Gruss


    Eldorado

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    Eldorado


    Volltreffer.Alles auf den Punkt gebracht.


    et@Jürgen


    Vergeßt auch die Russen nicht, die häufen Gold wie narrisch in der Zentralbank.
    Uns unsere europäischen Deppen verhökerten/verhökern zu Niedrigpreisen
    ihr Zentralbankgold. :)


    Grüsse

  • @EDEL MANN


    Die Russen und die Chinesen müssen auch nicht auf das hören was Ihnen die Amis anschaffen um Ihre marode Währung am Leben zu erhalten.
    Die Chinesen haben inzwischen sogar soviel Dollars angehäuft, dass Sie mit diesem Paket Ihrerseits die Amis ärgern können.

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    valueman


    So isses. Wenn die China- Men ihre 700Mrd Schiet-backs in was Gescheites tauschten, wäre was los.
    Aber Eldo nicht allein vermutet zu Recht, daß die das uns nicht auf die Nase binden.
    Die wollen eben noch munter in Amiland exportieren, bis sie die nicht mehr so brauchen.


    Leider hängen Japan, Südkorea und Taiwan noch an den Ami-Pfoten.
    Ändert sich alles mal.


    Grüsse

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