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  • THE GOLD STANDARD GETS NO RESPECT


    by Chris Mayer


    There is a lot of dumb stuff written about the gold standard and the Great
    Depression these days. I open the paper yesterday and I read a column by
    Robert Samuelson in The Washington Post, "Gold's Enduring Mystery."


    Samuelson goes on to say some things about gold's role as money for much
    of recorded history. Then he gets to the Great Depression and he enters
    the realm of the absurd. He writes: "But the gold standard's very rigidity
    led to its collapse in the Great Depression. Too little gold fostered
    banking and currency crises."


    Tsk, tsk. Poor gold! Now the blame for the Great Depression lies at your
    feet. Truly, the victors write history. For here is history from the view
    of a paper money enthusiast.


    Such a view is not uncommon. Our own newly appointed Fed chief, Ben
    Bernanke, also holds such views. Bernanke is a Great Depression buff, just
    as people are Civil War buffs. It fascinates him. He studies it as a man
    might pick over the remains of some archeological dig. He even began a
    book about it.


    Greg Ip's piece in the Wall Street Journal summarizes some of Bernanke's
    views on the Great Depression. On the top of the list: "Beware of outdated
    orthodoxies such as the gold standard."


    To the world-improver set, confident they can push the right buttons and
    pull the right levers, the gold standard is nothing more than a
    straitjacket. To those who see gold's charms, that is precisely its chief
    merit. You see, the gold standard checks the creation of new money.


    If every dollar must be backed by a certain amount of gold, then you
    cannot create money out of thin air. The gold standard says you must have
    the gold first. Governments find it harder to wage war, dole out
    entitlements and build public works with a gold standard tying them down.
    Banks can't lend as much money; hence they can't make as much money. This
    is why the banking interests of this country backed the creation of the
    Federal Reserve. They appreciated the value of a good cartel.


    It's a bit like a cash-only bar. People with little money who like to
    drink tend not like cash bars.


    The problem, Mr. Sameulson, is not that there was not enough gold. The
    problem was too many dollars. When Roosevelt ordered Americans to
    surrender their gold coins in the spring of '33, he was not saving
    capitalism. He was burying it.


    Capitalism - or free markets - depends on contracts. Contracts are nothing
    but promises. When contracts cannot be enforced, then you join the world
    of banana republics and post-Soviet style looting. The system breaks down.
    So it was whenever the country reneged on its promise to back its own
    currency with gold.


    Those who gave their gold in exchange for dollars - backed by a promise to
    redeem in gold - were simply left with dollars. Their own government
    essentially stole their gold from them. Dollars, I should note, that have
    lost a lot of value in the ensuing seventy years.


    But there's more than this. Money unfettered by specie is the main fuel
    for the unsustainable booms that later turn into the panics, crashes and
    depressions that pock the landscape of financial history. Gold was what
    reigned in such excesses. It was the anchor that kept the ship in the
    harbor.


    Just because the government frequently broke these rules does not mean the
    gold standard itself is at fault. (The rules were broken with finality in
    1972, when President Nixon quashed the last vestige of the gold standard).
    A man who cannot keep his promises cannot reasonably lay the blame on the
    promises. Such a routine breaker of promises may be a rogue, a thief, and
    a scalawag. Usually, the preferred term is "liar." Today we call such
    people politicians and "saviors of capitalism."


    Bernanke may have studied the Great Depression, but he has read the wrong
    books. He should give a look at Murray Rothbard's America's Great
    Depression. Rothbard's examination is clear and logical, without the
    trappings of mathematics that otherwise pollute economic texts today.


    Why should paper money create unsustainable booms? I'll attempt an answer
    in brief, at the risk of oversimplifying something that's taken centuries
    to get right and that is still being explored and elaborated upon by
    economists today. (The best thing to do is read the book. Read only the
    first three chapters and you'll know more about business cycles than most
    professional economists.)


    Basically, in a free market, individuals decide how much they want to
    save. These savings are invested in the market - ether by the saver or
    through an intermediary (like a bank). The price of savings is the
    "natural rate" or "pure interest rate." Just think of it as a natural
    market price, the result of supply and demand.


    So, when you create money out of thin air you give the impression there is
    more savings in the economy than there really is. You distort interest
    rates and the natural rate does not function so well. The market's signals
    are emitted through a monetary fog.


    All this excess money leads to new investments and spending creating the
    "boom." As Rothbard says, "the boom, then, is actually a period of
    wasteful misinvestment. It is when errors are made, due to bank credit's
    tampering with the free market."


    At some point, the misinvestments are exposed as unprofitable, the growth
    unsustainable. "The depression is actually the process by which the
    economy adjusts to the wastes and errors of the boom, and reestablishes
    efficient service of consumer desires." In other words, the jig is up,
    reality sets in and the pull of the market price - the "natural rate" -
    start to assert itself.


    It's just like any other price controls. Set it too high or too low and
    there are consequences. It is unsustainable. This is why we have markets,
    to discover the "right" price.


    There's a lot more to this idea than I can delve into here. But the main
    point I want to make is this: The gold standard is not to blame for the
    crises of the past. They were caused by our inability to keep the promise
    to redeem in gold. And, secondly, that far from causing crises, the gold
    standard kept in check the growth in money. As a result, the gold standard
    served to stem unsustainable booms and avoid the necessary busts that
    follow.


    Sincerely,


    Chris Mayer
    for The Daily Reckoning

  • Federal Reserve System Banker: Fed Has Lost Control Of The Gold Market Due To Saudi, Chinese and Russian Buying



    Unreal what is going on here. Because gold has gone up by a substantial amount, most everyone says it must go down now. Because few can explain WHY gold is going up, most everyone says it must go down now. Because gold always used to go down, with one rally failing after another, most everyone expects gold to go down now.


    The Café Sentiment indicator is still blah … a 6 at best. When gold broke $330 to the upside, it was a 9 for weeks. The small specs continue to liquidate their long gold positions. The gold funds are not receiving any new money of any importance … some ARE fielding liquidations. There are no premiums in the physical gold/silver funds. The small gold/silver stocks barely have a pulse … barely trade.


    You could NOT DREAM UP a more bullish scenario. Few out there get it. The funny part is that technical analysis is finally working picture perfectly. The COT report was super bullish. The chart is super bullish. The acceleration after breaking out at $478 is classic and super bullish. The breaking of decade-long highs is super bullish. The open interest numbers are super bullish.


    Yet, no one seems to care and most everyone is bearish, or does not believe gold can go up from here.


    What fun to see technical analysis work after so many years of one failure after another. The reason it is working so well is obvious. The Gold Cartel has lost control of their price-rigging scheme and has ever since Gold Rush 21. Gold has now risen $84 since our historic conference, while the dollar has risen a fair amount. Technical analysis is invaluable in FREE MARKETS, which gold is fast becoming.


    For years it was the MIDAS rant that to really understand the gold market it was imperative to know what GATA knows. Most of the mainstream gold world cannot explain why gold is doing what is. They continue to come with an explanation du jour. They have no idea if what they are saying is correct, but they don’t know what else to say. First gold was going up because of a weak dollar, then because of inflation, then because of rising prices. Now the politically correct explanation is that central banks are buying. I will bet you that hardly a one of them has any concrete information of a particular central bank buying. Why are most saying this? Because they read about a number of central banks saying they INTEND to increase their gold reserves.


    One of those pundits expounding this line is Dennis Gartman, who said so/as much on CNBC yesterday. Well, if he knows this to be true, why did he exit the gold market at $460 and missed $60 of this move? It makes no sense.


    Now, that is not to say the central banks are not buying. Specific information in this regard (Chinese and South Koreans) has been brought to your attention for some time. The point is because the mainstream gold world and Planet Wall Street cannot really explain this gold move, they will say anything … except to admit GATA was right all along.


    I am leading up to the most important point of all and that is the mainstream gold world and Planet Wall Street REFUSE to acknowledge the HUGE short position out there and what this means for the future of the gold price.


    The gold open interest only rose 1754 contracts yesterday to 342,765. It is still 30,000 off its highs made when gold was $70 lower. There is still room for 100,000 specs to come in on the long side to take gold up to $600.


    This is critical information because it tells us (and has for weeks now) that many of the major gold shorts want out, but THEY CAN’T GET OUT without driving the price to the moon. We don’t know the exact number, however, it is safe to say the gold short position is over 10,000 tonnes of gold. Mine supply is running around 2500 tonnes per year and the yearly supply/demand deficit is at least 1500 tonnes.


    What you have here is MIND-BOGGLING. The only way this can be resolved is for the price to explode in order to slow down demand enough to allow the shorts to START to cover. $600 gold will not do it. That does not mean we have to go well beyond that on the first shot. At some point in this rally, the physical market will dry up due to sticker shock, which will lead to an inevitable correction. It does mean we have a long way to go for the gold move to play out. $1,000 gold is a lay up.


    The Cartel is in deep, deep DOO DOO: :D



    Bill,


    Just look at the bull stealth buying strategy on full display. The trace remains above yesterday. The margin call shorts are in deep trouble. There is NO DOUBT the bulls are in command and are being very smart. The cartel have met their match and their Waterloo!

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  • A good read ;)


    Many of you may be trading gold today. With the benefit of hindsight, it is easy to see where to buy and sell. But if you were trading gold in '79-80, do you think that you would have been able to ride it to the top, without getting spooked out? Once at the top, would you have the courage to sell? Undoubtedly there were people at the time calling for much higher levels: "The economy is going to hell! Gold is going to $2,000 and beyond! .....You'd be a fool to sell."


    Times may change, but human nature does not.


    This is not intended to be a prediction or indication of what will happen to the price of gold in the coming days or years, only an illustration of how difficult it is to forsee future conditions and a reminder that there is no such thing as a sure thing.






    http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1134140466.php

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  • Zitat

    GOLD IST GEIL, ABER GESUNDHEIT IST AM WICHTIGSTEN !


    Was nützt uns das Gold im Jenseits.
    Wir müssen unsere Seelen vergolden.
    Nur unsere Seelen sind unsterblich.
    Nur das Gold der Seele können wir ins nächste
    Leben mitnehmen.
    Ein Leben ist kurz, sehr kurz......

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Wer nicht an sich arbeitet ist wie ein elendes Stück Holz im Ozean
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Samael Aun Weor

  • Wenn das so weitergeht, dann ist die Unze Silvester bei 600$. :D


    Im Moment siehts nicht so aus, als wenn meine sl's ausgeführt werden. Um so besser! :]


    @Phönix:


    Recht hast Du!

    Zeit ist der Freund von wunderbaren Unternehmen und der Feind von mittelmäßigen Unternehmen. Warren Buffett

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    Hallo Carlos


    Gute Frage. ;)
    Wenn wir die Antwort wüssten,könnten wir einiges danach ausrichten.
    Bin selbst -- NOCH -- nicht davon überzeugt.


    Habe gestern sogar mein Verhältnis Gold : Silber im Depot erhöht.
    Betrifft allerdings die Aktien,da sehe ich bei den güldenen iA. grösseres Potential.


    Ganz persönliche Einschätzung.


    Grüsse

  • @4th Dimension


    Gute Worte, ich stimme da voll zu.
    Enlightment,good Karma,inner peace und Gesundheit ist wertvoller als Gold.
    Nix kannst mitnehma, gar nix !
    Its all about spirituality in the end of the day.
    Don't look up, look down and you are happy again.


    Gruss


    Eldo

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    Hatten wir den übersehen? :)
    Dann wären wir aber evtll. schon aus demGold raus. ?(


    Ob das mit dem Dollar ala M. noch funzt?? :D



    Wednesday, December 07, 2005
    GOLD AND SILVER
    Dear Members,
    Gold has moved up above, this is a sign for rising and the it could touch $516.80. Silver spot could touch $8.85 (SPOT PRICE). In this week's newsletter I mentioned that a two to three percent rise or fall should be taken as a opportunity for trading. Don't remain either short or big long in metals. After six and half weeks you can go short blindly. Movement of Mars is on the way ?( and this could have negative impact on gold on Friday as well as next week.

    Indications are that COTTON could be a good trade, and this applies for oil as well.

    As for the Dollar index, it SHOULD MOVE TOWARD NEW HIGH.
    :D
    Finally, TODAY IS THE LAST DAY FOR GRAINS, AND THEY SHOULD START MOVING UP FROM EITHER TODAY OR TOMORROW.

    THANKS & GOD BLESS
    MAHENDRA 7 Dec 8.30AM New York

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    Der bisher skeptische Ron Rosen nun bullish!! 8)
    _______________________________________


    Precious Metals Market Timing
    The Tide Has Turned
    Ron Rosen
    Dec 9, 2005


    "Time is more important than price; when time is up price will reverse." W.D. Gann


    The tide has turned. The bull has awakened from his two year siesta. Like Ferdinand the Bull, he is a gentle giant. While he slept under the tree he reveled in the sweet soft scent of the flowers surrounding his slumbering body. Now awakened, he is the rampaging giant that no one, or no number of Picadors, can weaken. He is a giant among giants :]. He may pause for a brief nap from time to time when the flowers are blooming, but everyone best take notice when he awakens.


    This bull is masquerading as the HUI precious metal shares index. Starting in 2001, it rose from a lowly 35 to a high of 258.60 in December 2003. That was a 750 % increase in value over a three year period. For the last two years the HUI has spent its time going up and down between the 250 area and the 160 area. It has completed a correction that can be called a "flat" type. This type of correction indicates tremendous underlying strength. When the HUI topped in December of 2003 it had completed its first phase advance. We are now embarked on the second bull phase. It was confirmed on December 7, 2005. I had established three requirements that had to be met before I could announce that the bull had awakened. Gold bullion had to close above its 23 year old overhead trend line resistance. Silver had to close at a new high for this bull market. The HUI had to close over its high of two years ago. All three requirements were met on December 7, 2005.


    The second phase of a long term bull market is the longest and strongest of all three phases. Prices increase much more than they did in the first phase. This means the price of the HUI precious metal shares index should increase more than 750% during this second phase.
    The Precious Metals Market Timing letter will keep you apprised of the bull's progress by using the Delta turning points, W.D.Gann Master Cycle studies and long term wave counting. If you are interested in multi week trades, the Delta turning points have proven to be an excellent tool. The Precious Metals Timing Letter will be using the Delta turning points to recommend trading opportunities. In addition, we will be advising you of when we expect corrections to take place and when they will be over.


    HUI MONTHLY CHART WITH DELTA LONG TERM TURNING POINTS


    Stay Well,
    Ron Rosen

  • Es scheint wieder einen dieser Freitag abend Schlußspurts zu geben. Schon stark wie die Tagescharts aussehen.

    Es kommt nicht darauf an, die Zukunft vorauszusagen, sondern darauf auf die Zukunft vorbereitet zu sein. - Perikles

  • Puh, langsam wirds unheimlich. Damit hätte ich nicht gerechnet. Aus meine Papiersilber bin ich heute jedenfalls fast komplett raus....


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://www.kitconet.com/charts/metals/gold/t24_au_en_usoz_2.gif]


    [Blockierte Grafik: http://kitconet.com/charts/metals/silver/t24_ag_en_usoz_2.gif]

    „Die Menschen sind so einfältig und hängen so sehr vom Eindruck des Augenblickes ab, dass einer, der sie täuschen will, stets jemanden findet, der sich täuschen lässt.“ (Niccolò Machiavelli)

  • Also, ich überlege mir bei einem kleinem Rücksetzer Silber-Zertifikate und - OS nachzukaufen.


    Ich bin mir ziemlich sicher, daß viele Anleger ungeduldig auf eine Chance warten, (physisch) in den Markt einzusteigen. Diese Woche haben mich meine Eltern (sehr, sehr konservativ, was Geldanlage angeht) angerufen und wir sind gemeinsam Gold kaufen gegangen. Gestern haben mich zwei Arbeitskollegen, um Adressen gebeten, wo man Gold kaufen kann. Heute hat einer nach einer website gefragt, wo er sich informieren kann. Mein Chef, den ich monatelang mit dem thema in den Ohren gelegen hat, hat letzte Woche gekauft. Würde mich nicht wundern, wenn er nachkaufen würde. Die Medienberichterstattung steigt, die Besucherzahlen in den Foren auch.


    Will sagen, "fresh money" ist von Privatanlegerseite da.

    Es kommt nicht darauf an, die Zukunft vorauszusagen, sondern darauf auf die Zukunft vorbereitet zu sein. - Perikles

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    Jo,das sieht ganz ordentlich aus.


    Die Shorties drüben haben offenkundig Probleme. :D


    Und da der Tollar mitspielt,könnte das so weitergehen.

  • Jungs , zum Thema Hausfrauenrally ?(


    Bin heute zur Raiffeisen Bank,direkt bei mir gegenüber,der Mann in der Kasse sitzt seit 25 Jahren mit mir am gleichen Stammtisch.Ich rein mit 5 x 100gr Barren.Der wollte mein Gold ankaufen,dazu sollte es nach München geschickt und dort geprüft werden,bei OK wäre das Geld in der nächsten Woche meinem Konto gut geschrieben worden.Die Bank hat ein Einzugsgebiet von 20000 Menschen.Das mus man sich mal vorstellen! Auf meine Frage,ob die Bank denn keine Goldgeschäfte mache,sagte er mir,nur ganz selten geht dort ein Krügerrand über den Tresen 8)


    Ich raus,in die Kreisstadt zur Hauptstelle der Sparkasse.Da geht man über eine Treppe in den Vorraum des Tresors.Hauptkasse im Tresor!


    Dort fragte ich wie den der Ankaufspreis für Gold sei;er antwortete mir 1380€ pro Barren,daraufhin sagte ich unter 1400€ wolle ich Sie nicht verkaufen,er wieder zum Monitor und reingeschaut,dann gab er mir anstandslos 1400€.Ich konnte heute mit dem Hauptkassierer Handeln,stellt euch das doch einmal vor!



    Grüsse


    kalle,der noch lange nicht an eine Hausfrauenrally glaubt

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