Gold und Silber... Informationen und Vermutungen I

  • Zitat

    Original von Ulfur
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    China vom Goldfieber getroffen:


    (...)
    OINK !


    Witzig.
    Dann gilt das bestimmt auch für weitere Regionen Asiens, Südkorea z.B. ...


    Das hatte im Münzteil des Forums der User "Ich" vor ein paar Monaten auch schon vermutet, dass das einen Schwung im Absatz geben könnte.
    Es scheint sich zu bestätigen ... .


    Ich finde die Lunar Schweine-Münzen übrigens auch schön.


    Grüsse,
    gutso

  • @eldo


    das hatten wir vor ein paar tagen auch schon mal, habe ich zu dem zeitpunkt auch gepostet.


    da hat sich kitco für ca. 40 minuten nicht bewegt im chart und auf anderen quellen wurden kurse angezeigt, die erheblich darüber lagen.


    so wie ich es hier mitbekommen habe, hat kitco schon öfter mal fragen aufgeworfen


    ich informiere mich lieber hier. http://www.netdania.com/QuoteList.asp


    da kannst du dir alles selbst zusammenstellen, wie du es möchtest und hast einen live ticker.


    den blick fest nach vorn und mit spass dabei ....

  • Habe gerade gestern nochmals mit einem chinesichen Unternehmer die aktuellen Eigenarten im Umgang mit physischem Gold bei privaten Chinesen angesprochen.


    NIX geht bei privaten Geschenken in Familien über Gold. Es ist beliebt wie eh und jeh. Der ganze Konsumkram ist nur zusätzlich attraktiv und steht neben Gold und ist, weil Gold einen speziellen ideellen Wert für Chinesen verkörpert, keine Konkurenz mit anderen Dingen, gleich welcher Art.



    Gruß Hase



    PS: Hab jetzt auch ein Rudel Schweine im Stall 8)

  • Zitat

    Original von Tompel


    :D :D :D Ja, ich weiß das ich etwas paranoid bin! Zu viel Goldstaub im Hirn! ;)


    Dummerweise sieht die Kurve immer fast gleich aus. Steil abfallende Flanke, kurzer Anstieg (für die härteren) und nochmals abfallende Flanke. Was für Zufälle.

    Demokratie ist die Diktatur der Dummen (Friedrich von Schiller)
    Das Grundprinzip der Parteien-Demokratie ist, die Bürger von der Macht fernzuhalten (Michael Winkler)
    Wer die Zeichen der Zeit nicht erkennt, wird von ihr überrollt werden. 8o
    Wer Banken sein Geld überlässt, macht sich mitschuldig :!:

  • Zitat

    Original von taheth


    Dummerweise sieht die Kurve immer fast gleich aus. Steil abfallende Flanke, kurzer Anstieg (für die härteren) und nochmals abfallende Flanke. Was für Zufälle.


    Aha, also doch keine Einbildung von mir! :] Mir stellen sich jeden Tag die Nackenhaare auf, wenn New York eröffnet! 8o Oft klettert der Kurs stundenlang friedlich nach oben und wird in NY wieder in den Boden gestampft. Ist doch irgendwie seltsam, oder? ;)

  • Auch das geht zuende. Irgendwann.


    Wen das in NY stört, der hat drei Alternativen:


    (1) sich ständig drüber ärgern
    (2) aus allen edelmetallanlagen rausgehen und sich andere ärgern lassen
    (3) einfach nichts darum zu geben, was da in NY abgeht.


    Es hat Jahre, Monate und Wochen gegeben, da haben mich weder Goldpreis noch Silberkurs interessiert. Obglich ich dort (damals zu einem sehr hohen Prozentsatz des Gesamtvermögens) investiert war.


    Ich meine: wer mit 5 bis 15 Prozent in Edelmetall steckt, dem können vermeintlich vom PPT fabrizierte Kurskapriolen eigentlich am Allerwertesten vorbei gehen. Man muss sich ja nicht für ein paar Cente oder Dollars verrückt machen.


    Was geschehen soll, das wird auch geschehen. Ob mit oder ohne PPT. Und wer es eilig hat, für den ist Edelmetall ohnhin nichts.

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    Zitat

    Original von mesodor39
    Auch das geht zuende. Irgendwann.
    .....


    Ich meine: wer mit 5 bis 15 Prozent in Edelmetall steckt, dem können vermeintlich vom PPT fabrizierte Kurskapriolen eigentlich am Allerwertesten vorbei gehen. Man muss sich ja nicht für ein paar Cente oder Dollars verrückt machen.


    Was geschehen soll, das wird auch geschehen. Ob mit oder ohne PPT. Und wer es eilig hat, für den ist Edelmetall ohnhin nichts.


    Genau, mesodor.


    Seit Bill Murphy (GATA) und Dimitri Speck ('seasonal charts') ist es vollends klar, was läuft. Je tiefer die Preise, desto günstiger der Einkauf....


    Lucky

  • Served at The Man Ray Table:


    Divorced From Reality.
    February 14th, 2007


    Professor von Braun
    The Rocket School of Economics


    "Has anyone noticed a deterioration in the quality
    of all reporting over the last few years, whether it
    be on politics, the Middle East or financial news?
    Critical analysis is basically absent or it is covered
    up or appears on some select non-mainstream website.
    Financial reporting in particular is now dominated
    by a handful of players such as CNBC, Fox news, the
    Wall Street Journal and Barrons." :D


    ....Meanwhile the Goldilocks economy seems to be alive and well, the housing market is ‘soft’ but apparently a recovery is just around the corner, so they say.


    But is it? :rolleyes:


    ..Since August of 1971 gold quoted in US dollar terms has increased from $35 per ounce to its current level of $660, which suggests that "unofficially" it is still the favored principal unit of account and is likely to continue to remain as such.


    Gold remains the central bankers second worst enemy, the first being of course themselves.


    -----------------------------------------------------


    ...der deal mit Nordkorea ist auch lustig, Condi du bist die Beste. :D
    Heli Ben liest Grimm's Maerchen heute Abend.


    Good boy ! :D

  • Thanks, hier was interessantes wer nicht weiss wie und wo.


    Storing Bullion Internationally


    Safety Deposit Boxes and Depositories in the UK, EU and most importantly Switzerland



    Introduction


    The fundamental tenet of investment theory is diversification or in layman's terms to not have all the proverbial eggs in the one basket.


    Thus a wide range of assets including a variety of equities with exposures to different market sectors and regions; a variety of different countries’ bonds; a diversified property portfolio; a cash component with sound international currencies and 10% to 20% allocation to gold and silver bullion would be considered a sensible, conservative and prudent properly diversified portfolio. The key obviously is to determine what amount or ratio of each asset class to have. In a globalised and increasingly integrated global economy this should be decided based upon global macroeconomic fundamentals.


    The global macroeconomic, and indeed geopolitical, fundamentals are increasingly negative and thus merit a reduced exposure to equities, bonds and property in general. The anchor or base of the portfolio is the allocation to gold and silver bullion and a move to some 20% seems increasingly justified. We believe that the Perth Mint Certificate Programme is one of the best, most cost effective and safest ways for investors to own bullion. Especially for investors looking to store their bullion in a secure, wealthy, AAA rated offshore country.


    The precious metals component of a diversified portfolio should be diversified also. And bullion owners should not allow themselves to be dependent on any one institution. This is why a combination of precious metal certificates, gold or silver bullion or numismatics in your possession and storage of bullion internationally with a secure and specialist third party should all be looked at.


    Why Own Bullion and Store Bullion Internationally?


    When investing in precious metals one of the most important things to consider is where to store your bullion. What type of facility or institution to store it with and whether it should be stored locally, nationally or internationally. The short answer is to store your bullion with the safest and securest facilities or institutions locally, nationally and internationally. Again the eggs in basket cliché is important.


    Investors buy bullion primarily to insure and hedge against macroeconomic, geopolitical and particularly systemic and systematic risk. Systemic risk includes the collapse of a financial system, such as a general stock market crash, fiat currency crash and or a breakdown of our modern day fractional reserve and derivative laden banking system. Any of these would have serious ramifications and could lead to deflation, stagflation or hyperinflation in various jurisdictions and the collapse of the current global financial system. Systematic risk describes risks which the whole financial market or economy faces such as business cycles, terrorism wars, peak oil and or global warming.


    Today in our globalised and massively interconnected financial world, a systemic or systematic financial crisis will likely result in a chain reaction involving waves of individual and corporate bankruptcies and large financial institutions would be at risk. In this environment, all the conventional investments – derivatives such as exchange traded funds (including the precious metal ETFs), stocks, bonds, property – will be seriously affected and marked down in price.


    The massive creation of derivatives, what Warren Buffet calls ‘Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction’, and particularly credit derivatives has led to a huge increase in the dispersal of risk throughout the entire financial system. While risk dispersal has helped the system weather shocks so far this decade, some policymakers fear that if a really big crisis were to hit, this dispersal might create a "contagion" effect. That could make a crisis far worse and lead to a Depression. Jean Claude Trichet, the head of the ECB, recently warned echoed Warren Buffett regarding this risk.


    Besides the negative effect these risks pose to investment portfolios, it is important to remember that most people’s primary wealth is the home they own and their financial wellbeing is dependent on their work and or their business. In a systemic or systematic crisis even these can be affected. Unemployment goes up and people can lose their job. One’s business can go bankrupt. One’s home can have negative equity and or can be foreclosed by the banks.


    This is not alarmist doom and gloom mongering. Many people experienced exactly these economic hardships in the US in the 1970’s and in the UK in the early 1990’s. But thankfully it was on a small scale. People in Italy, Israel, Thailand, Russia, Ecuador, Mexico and Argentina are a few of the entire societies who have had currency crisis and systemic crisis in recent years. Thankfully, this has not been experienced on a mass global scale since the 1930’s.


    There is increasing global systemic and systematic risk in the form of


    - Geopolitical Instability and 'The War on Terror'.


    - Rising Oil & Energy prices and Peak Oil.


    - Growing realisation of the long term impacts that global warming will have on all societies and economies as clearly outlined in the Stern Report


    - Overvalued and Plateauing Property Markets.


    - Rising Interest Rates in the US and globally.


    - Record & Unprecedented US Trade, Budget & Current Account Deficits.


    - Record Consumer, Mortgage and National Debt Levels in the US & much of the western world.


    - Increasing Pensions Difficulties with underfunded pensions and the 'Demographic Time bomb'.


    - A depreciating and declining US dollar - the global reserve currency;


    Increasing global investor demand for safe haven assets & Central Bank demand for gold in order to maintain full faith and provide stability to unstable currencies and monetary reserves.

    These systemic and systematic financial and economic risks create political risks. Historically protectionism, trade frictions, capital controls, nationalism, radicalism, communism, fascism and militarism can result. Increasing diminution of civil rights in even the most liberal western countries must give pause for thought. These authoritarian trends generally become more pronounced in times of recession or depression.


    These factors mean that having one’s bullion outside of the financial system is important. This can be either through personal possession or storage with a secure third party who can deliver the bullion upon demand.


    However, these factors also mean that besides having one’s bullion outside of the financial system it is also important to have some of one’s bullion outside of the jurisdiction in which one is domiciled or is a citizen. This lessens geographic risk. For these reasons it is important that investors consider ‘internationalising their bullion’ to safe haven jurisdictions.


    How to Store Bullion Internationally?



    Safety deposit boxes in banks and specialist depositories can be used and allocated accounts in specialist depositories are optimal.


    What is a Safe Deposit Box and what is a Depository?


    A safe deposit box or safety deposit box is a type of safe usually located in groups inside a bank vault, in a secure room of a bank or post office or in a specialist depository. It usually holds important and valuable possessions such as important documents (wills or property deeds), currency and or precious metals that a person might be reluctant to leave at home due to fear of theft, fire, flood, tampering or other reasons. In the typical arrangement, a renter pays the bank a fee for the use of the box, which can be opened only with production of the assigned key, the bank's master key, the proper signature, or perhaps a code of some sort. Additionally, some banks are using biometric security to complement the already increased security procedures.


    A depository is a place where valuable objects are kept or deposited for safekeeping or storage, e.g. a high security warehouse or vault for important documents, precious works of art, valuables, heirlooms, cash and bullion. Depositories also come in the form of the night depository of a bank or a bank chosen for the depositing of government funds but they more commonly refer to specialist facilities where very valuable items can be deposited for storage or safekeeping.


    There are many specialist depositories in the US, EU and Switzerland which facilitate investors in this regard (many of which are listed below).


    Where and in Which Country to Store Bullion Internationally?


    Before looking at where to store bullion internationally there may be some who would rather have their bullion closer to home. This may suit those with smaller amounts of gold bullion or for those ‘who hope for the best but are prepared for the worst’ and want to be prepared for a meltdown scenario of a currency collapse and hyperinflation and want to own real money, gold and silver, that will retain or increase in value. It is important to have at least some bullion in one’s possession. They could consider a small local branch of a state, national or international bank providing the bank is highly solvent and or has a high credit rating from one of the international ratings agencies (which is not too many!). Knowing and trusting the local bank manager is also very advantageous. Some fear that in the event of a systemic crisis then deposit boxes in banks and financial institutions could be sealed and the bullion confiscated as was done under the Gold Confiscation Act of 1933 at the height of the Great Depression. It seems likely that in the event of such a crisis many bullion dealers pool accounts and depositories in the US might have their gold confiscated and might have their assets nationalized.



    Safety Deposit Boxes in Banks


    In the US, as of June 2006, Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. is the only bank in the United States to receive the highest possible credit rating, Aaa, from Moody’s Investors Service. Wells Fargo has 6,165 retail branches, over 23 million customers, and 167,000 employees.


    In the UK, the ‘Big 4’ UK banks, Lloyds TSB, Barclays, HSBC and Nat West all offer safety deposit boxes to their clientele. As of September 2006 Lloyds TSB Bank plc was the only AAA rated bank. It is one of only two pure private sector banks in the world with the Moody’s Aaa rating.


    In the EU, Rabobank is one of the few banks in Europe that the world's leading rating agencies have awarded the AAA rating - the highest possible rating available. Indeed, Rabobank Group is the only privately owned bank in the world with the highest possible credit rating from both Standard & Poor’s (AAA) and Moody’s Investors Service (Aaa); it is also ranked in the world’s top three safest bank by Global Finance magazine.


    It has offices internationally but in the US it only has local offices in California where clients can “store important documents and valuables in the security of Rabobank's vault storage boxes.”


    In Switzerland, Rabobank took over Bank Sarasin, which was founded in 1841 and one of Switzerland’s leading private banking institutions and largest private banks. Sarasin’s clients can use their safety deposit boxes.


    There are many other secure Swiss banks who as a matter of course provide safety deposit box facilities to their clientele.


    Safety Deposit Boxes and Depositories


    In the US, many of our clientele have used the Delaware Depository (http://www.delawaredepository.com/) and some are beginning to use First State Depository Company (http://www.firststatedepository.com/).


    Some of the safety deposit boxes and specialist depositories used by our clientele in the EU include:


    England


    Metro Safe, London Branches, England


    http://www.metrosafe.co.uk/index.php


    Bank House, Middlesex, England


    http://www.bankhouse.com/



    Austria


    Das Safe, Vienna, Austria


    http://www.dassafe.com/


    France


    Safety deposit boxes in Société Générale, one of which is Bvd Haussmann, Paris, France


    Société Générale has credit ratings of AA (Standard & Poor's) and Aa2 (Moody's).


    Switzerland


    Zürcher Freilager, Zürich, Switzerland


    http://www.zf-company.com


    Safes Fidelity, Geneva, Switzerland


    Tel.: +(41) 22-731-7890


    VIA MAT International


    http://www.viamat.com




    Switzerland


    Switzerland obviously remains the favourite for storing bullion internationally due to its tradition of non intrusive, non authoritarian, stable government, its combined benefits of privacy, strength and safety and its safe haven attributes. Say "Switzerland" and people throughout the world think “quality”, “security”, “safety” and "wealth." There are good reasons for this.


    Robert E. Bauman wrote an excellent article for the Sovereign Society entitled ‘A Visit to Switzerland: The World's Most Trusted Asset Haven’, explaining why Switzerland remains the ultimate safe haven country. “For 300 years, as European empires rose and fell, Switzerland's mountainous topography, its official neutrality and its determination to defend its sovereignty have made it an island of stability. After 50 years of saying "no," the Swiss recently joined the United Nations, but they repeatedly have rejected European Union membership, rightly fearing EU interference with Swiss privacy and banking laws and even more importantly an end to their important military and political neutrality.


    A few years ago, a national ballot soundly rejected a proposal to ease Swiss bank confidentiality laws. Current public opinion polls are much the same. A global survey of private banks found that the major attraction for a bank's potential customers is Switzerland’s reputation. Certainly, Switzerland's solid financial reputation explains why this nation serves as "banker to the world." In times of crisis, even greater flows of foreign cash enter Swiss banks, confirming the belief that Switzerland is one of the best places to safeguard cash and assets. Currently Swiss banks are estimated to manage at least one-third of the world's private offshore wealth.”


    Of all the bullion storage options in Switzerland - and we have researched them all - we believe that the allocated accounts offered by VIA MAT International in the tax free zone of Zurich Airport are the most attractive in terms of cost and security.


    VIA MAT INTERNATIONAL is part of Mat Securitas Express AG, of Switzerland, one of Europe's largest and oldest armoured transport and storage companies. VIA MAT INTERNATIONAL specialises in the international valuables logistics and storage business and offers a wide range of valuables services. For 60 years they have transported, stored, insured and processed valuables with great efficiency and diligence.


    At their Zurich Airport facility which is in a tax free zone they offer the following services


    · Domicile-to-domicile solutions to all important financial centers


    · Storage for valuable goods in customs-free warehouse


    · Customs clearance of shippings including neutralising, dividing and repacking


    · Monitoring of transit mailings


    Advantages of VIA MAT Zurich


    · Excellent IT solutions with automatic data transfers to the airlines as well as to the customs authority


    · A large fleet of armoured vehicles in Switzerland, GPS-monitored for pick ups and deliveries
    · Flexibility - fast reaction times


    · International experience and expertise
    · Market leader in Switzerland and internationally
    · Storage in secure depository in tax free zone in the safe haven country which is Switzerland

    Don't delay in deciding what is the optimal offshore storage solution for your bullion and where to store it.
    Decide on an offshore storage plan and location and order your gold and silver bullion as soon as you have done your due diligence. ;)

  • @Patrone...thanks, noch 26 stunden bis dort hin.



    Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:


    In his latest commentary for Investor's Digest of Canada, Sprott Asset Management's chief investment strategist, John Embry, notes that gold and silver again delivered superior returns in 2006 but ordinary investors would never know it from the establishment news media. Embry predicts that these returns are only going to get better as the U.S. dollar disintegrates. You can find Embry's commentary, "Returns on Gold and Silver Surpass Most Others Again," at the Sprott Internet site here:


    http://www.sprott.com/pdf/inve…rs_digest_feb_02_2007.pdf

    • Offizieller Beitrag

    Moin Eldo


    Die letzten Tage dachte ich schon an morgen. :(


    Dir einen fairen Verlauf wünschend, Good Luck !


    Grüsse
    Edel Man


    "Die Märkte haben nie unrecht, die Menschen oft." Jesse Livermore, 20.Jh.

    "Die Demokratie ist das Paradies der Schreier und Schwätzer, Phraseure, Schmeichler und Schmarotzer, die jedem sachlichen Talent weit mehr den Weg verlegen, als dies in einer anderen Verfassungsform vorkommt." E.von Hartmann

    Dieser Beitrag ist eine persönliche Meinung gem. Art.5 Abs.1 GG und Urteil des BVG 1 BvR 1384/16

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