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@ Edel....

Without feelings...

http://www.americanbulls.com/S…LD&MarketTicker=TSE&Typ=I

Alles ist moeglich, Edel
Big Brother, you know.
Ich weiss nur eines, es gibt viele die jetzt Gold bestellen.
Und das schiebt den PoG wieder rauf in kurzer Zeit.
Bin gespannt wie Asia heute Nacht reagiert auf PoG 641USD.

Trotzdem gehe ich jetzt schlafen, morgen gehts weiter.

Gnight

XEX

Ich bedanke mich bei zahlreichen Boardlern für die sehr guten Infos zu den Aktienwerten. Jedoch bereitet es dem schreibenden Boardler keine blutigen Finger, wenn auch eine WKN angegeben wird.

Für zahlreiche neue Boardler wäre die WKN sehr hilfreich! Besser einen Beitrag weniger schreiben :D, dafür auch die WKN angeben :D.

Gruß und Danke, Ersatzkasse

GO GATA!

(The MIDAS turned into a running commentary to highlight the flagrant anti-trust activities of The Gold Cartel and Plunge Protection Team)

This is really disgusting. To give you some idea how The Gold Cartel and Orwellians do their business, while simultaneously and hypocritically proclaiming a love for free financial markets, one only need view what happened late yesterday … which on carried into this morning and throughout the day.

First, gold roars $16 higher yesterday with copper soaring an amazing 40 cents+. This must have thoroughly ticked off those at the IMF, LME and Gold Cartel headquarters. After all they had set a plan in motion to bail out the base metals and precious metals gold shorts. They said as much with their pronouncements in the press that the IMF was ready to put its new financial market authority into action.

Thus, immediately after gold and silver put in their powerful recovery performance on the Comex, The Gold Cartel hit men went to work in the thinly traded Access market, swiftly taking gold down a few dollars. Concurrently, they went to work on the gold shares, wiping out 60 to 70% of the day’s gains in the senior gold company shares. It could not have been more blatant and telling of what was come this Wednesday.

It wasn’t long that gold was down $7.80 on the Access Market, as reported in yesterday’s MIDAS. No free market trades this way, roaring higher … and then giving up half of its gains with few traders around. This was nothing more than painting the tape to send a message to other gold traders where The Gold Cartel intended to take the price of gold during the next Comex trading session.

At the same time, the dollar rose sharply late afternoon and the US S&P futures market dipped another 5 points after sinking into its close at 4 PM.

As mentioned yesterday, it seems to me something is wrong in US financial market land and the powers in Washington and New York are petrified of a market blow-up. A key that something is wrong is when gold is hit hard for no apparent reason. As South Africa’s Peter George mentioned in GATA’s Gold Rush 21 DVD, gold goes down when there is every obvious reason it should go up. So much so, "It is a joke." This type of counterintuitive trading has occurred for years, courtesy of The Gold Cartel

As we sail into the openings for the US financial markets, gold has now been hit for more than $10, but the dollar has given up most of its gains. Why is that? Naturally, as is so often the case, while gold is hit going into its open on the Comex, the S&P has rallied 3 points in the last two hours.

Café members, it does not get any clearer. You have a Gold Cartel working to suppress the price of gold whenever they can and you have a PPT (Plunge Protection Team) propping up the US stock market whenever they can.

Silliness and obfuscation have already been making the rounds as to what is going on. This is the worst one from last evening:

Dollar Rises in Asia Amid Concern Bird Flu May Be Spread by Human Contact

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/markets/currencies.html

More on the same from Adrian re Goldman Sachs:

Bill,

In yesterday’s commentary I said that I expected that when the TOCOM figures would be released I would see GS cover their shorts before the $16.3 rise on the COMEX. But that was written BEFORE I saw the HUI die an unnatural death at the end of the trading day and then gold beaten down over $8 on the ACCESS.

The fingerprints left on the market were sent to the GATA Crime Lab. Checking the computer database an instant match was found with prints on record of an elusive criminal gang known as the "Cartel".

Considering today’s action it will be no surprise to anyone to discover that in the May 23 session on the TOCOM Goldman Sachs INCREASED their short position by 2,734 contracts. Clearly they did not want yesterday to be a bounce in the market and they needed more traction on the downside to cover their massive short position. So today on the COMEX we see the attempts to get much lower gold prices. GS now has their biggest net short position on the TOCOM this year and I believe it is probably their biggest net short since joining the exchange.

With the gold market at this juncture they are simply standing in front of an express train.

Cheers

Adrian

This is both sick and insane. Gold was walloped for more than $22, after a surprisingly weak Durable Goods number was released … one which took the dollar even lower and interest rates lower … both of which should have sent gold higher. However, as Café members know, gold is always hit on economic/geopolitical news coming out of Washington … ALWAYS.

It seems to me the deal is this (besides a hidden derivatives nightmare):

Planet Wall Street’s main focus is on whether the Fed will "pause" with their interest rate hikes in June, or to continue to raise rates to combat the increasingly obvious inflation in the US. The US economy, including the housing situation, is slowing markedly so the Fed wants to pause. However, many of the pundits are pointing to the high price of gold as a key reason to maintain inflation vigilance … a vigilance which could really roil the real estate market and an already swooning stock market.

SOLUTION: Bury the gold price for the time being with all resources that can be mobilized in order to defuse inflation talk.

Posted On: Wednesday, May 24, 2006, 10:37:00 PM EST

Market Commentary From Trader Dan

Author: Dan Norcini

Dear Jim,

The dollar looks like it is bear flagging to me. It will take a convincing close over the .86 level to change the technical picture and disabuse me of this notion.

Sugar is basically trading the crude oil market right now as is bean oil. Both of them are trading the alternative energy play. When crude rallies, they rally. When crude moves down, they move down. Fundamentals have given way to the day to day vagaries of the energy complex.

Heating oil is trading hurricanes already but natural gas is not. Go figure!

I have mentioned to just about everyone I have spoken with today that the volatility we are seeing is indicative of the nervousness, confusion and uncertainty that exists in the market. We have also seen something that we have not seen in a very long time, the presence of FEAR. In times past, this sort of environment would see money move into gold as the ultimate safe haven.

Today’s current crop of lemming investors have been conditioned that the safest place in the world to park money is US Treasuries. This is why bonds moved up today and is the excuse du jour given for the strength in the dollar. Money was flowing into bonds and out of everything else. Personally I find this quite laughable and can only wonder if that philosophy will still look sound when the dollar is knocking on the door from beneath the .70 level.

This kind of volatility does however usually presage some substantial moves. Currently there is absolutely ZERO conviction among the vast majority of players. The giant hedge funds have no investment strategy that they are even attempting to follow right now. Instead, button pushers are reacting to emotional swings which range from euphoric one day to panic the next as automated trading programs wreak havoc on these markets.

The result has been a large number of players in the gold pit at the Comex simply throwing in the towel, choosing to get out of the way of the wild swings while they wait for the market to calm down.
This includes both longs and shorts who are exiting, in the process dropping the open interest to 316,143 as of yesterday. With today’s estimated volume at 155,000 there is little doubt we will see a significant decline in open interest again tomorrow.

This is the lowest reading since September 8, 2005 (an eight month low) where the open interest was 307,933. Front month gold closed at $447.70 that day. The next day it jumped to 317,409 as gold moved up to the $450 level once again.

I find this current decline in the open interest quite remarkable to say the very least, since we are getting down to levels where I believe we can expect to see prices stabilize fairly soon.
The reason: the fuel for further significant declines simply is not there unless we see a wholesale entrance of hedge funds on the short side of the gold market, something which I believe is highly unlikely.

My point in what may seem like some meaningless rambling is that I view this situation as extremely bullish for the gold market. I was never of the opinion that this recent leg up to over $700 was due to “speculative froth” as has been parroted ad-nauseaum, but there is no doubt a huge number of players have exited the gold market. The fact remains that open interest levels are where they were when gold was last trading at $450. We have had what by any standard of measure could be considered a sizeable exit of traders and yet here we are sitting with the gold price $190 higher than the last time we were anywhere near this level of interest by the general trading public. This correction will give us a new point from which to consolidate and build the kind of base we need to see a further substantial price rise which will take out the recent peak near $730.

Your pal,

Dan

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Dear CIGAs,

The day they found the first hedge fund manager the population of mental institutions began to increase. These people have to burn themselves out until only one is left. The new “gold bulls in a china shop” create total havoc when they enter and even more havoc when they try to leave. Not one of them has figured out the gold market is a tiny affair. This type of gold action is going to favor the gold shares because survival in the highly leveraged paper gold market is rare, even among professionals. The battle of algorithms not only increases volatility, it also leads to increased consumption of Maalox and Imodium.

When I say yesterday’s $20 rise means as much as today’s $36 drop, you might gasp. Neither does anything but prove my long term goal of $1650 may turn out to be much too conservative. It also proves if the Sultan of Bahrain was to chase gold strength and run away from gold weakness the market would gladly eat his money.

Can you imagine how gold will range when the dollar is in the .7000s USDX? In time it will be.

The only protection the aggressive gold investor has is to sell 1/3 of their position into gold strength too early and buy gold back too early while not using one cent in margin.

For investors I recommend the above medicine, a brisk walk and a glass of cold water. You will be very right but gold always requires a deep understanding, which results in courage.

Rick Ackerman

Top Bears Capitulate:

Two of them, Rich Bernstein and David Rosenberg, work for Merrill Lynch, and their capitulation could be taken as a result of a common conclusion. The other two, Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley and Bill Gross of PIMCO, have given up their bearish outlook for the U.S. and the world economy.

I believe that the capitulation of the four noted pundits, over a very short time frame, can be taken as a sign of something big to begin in the coming months and quarters.

If my prediction of the next recession to begin in 2006 were to come true, it would be preceded by a significant drop in the stock market before the end of August. For all we know, it could have begun already.

http://news.goldseek.com/RickAckerman/1148569200.php

Gmorning Edel

Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen das vor der Wahl in der US sowie gerade Ben at work $$$$$, dieser riesen Stockmarket Crash ala 1929 vorher kommt.
Bush will die Wahl gewinnen, eventuell braucht er einen neuen Krieg mit Iran, jedoch keinen Crash IMO.

Wer weiss wie viele PM's Aktien die Cabale wieder geborgt und verkauft haben, natuerlich um sie spaeter wieder guenstiger zurueckzukaufen wenn ihr Bulldozer ueber alles gefahren ist..

Wir sind eben nur ein Sandkorn auf dem Strand und sind fast machtlos dagegen was die Gangster mit uns treiben.

GS und friends fahren nun alles auf ihren ""Psychokrieg"" weiter zu fuehren damit selbst die letzten Goldbugs ebenso kapitulieren.

Du hast Recht :

Damit müssen wir leben

Ich mag WKNs auch nicht, weil ich mir die eh nicht merken kann.

http://finance.yahoo.com/
oder neu, aber noch beta
http://finance.google.com/finance

und für Can Symbols
http://new.stockwatch.com/

Es ist schon komisch......

BACKFIRE ON CORRUPTED PRICE INDEX

Jim Willie CB
May 24, 2006

SIGNIFICANT TURNAROUND MONDAY

A telephone call awakened me on Monday, a friend from Zurich of Irish descent, a bright, well-informed, kind, and colorful man. He told of a gold and currency drubbing, led by a tepid USDollar recovery of sorts. By the end of that call, both gold and the opposing (non-US$) currencys had staged the early makings of a recovery. After the noon hour, the recovery and reversals were clear. One day does not a trend make, but it sure was a day with significant notables. The metals all three reversed and held their highs. The currencys all finished on daily highs, enough to erase USDollar gains in Europe.

Gold might have plumbed too low when it descended below 640 intraday, too low to claim an equilibrium of demand against supply.

It reversed to close at 658.0, a full 21 bucks above its low, within a buck of its high, and over 3 bucks above its open, for a nice reversal. Silver overcame its 30-cent drop at the open, then extended for a 32-cent plus day, another nice reversal. Copper climbed 10 cents off its low to finish near even, a good recovery. Unclear is whether the metals are leading the currencys, or vice versa. My personal view is that gold leads. However, in the last couple weeks the currencys lead and the metals follow. Only a meaningful USDollar bounce will justify and sustain a continued gold selloff. The entire world is engaged in a global rejection of the USDollar, and a vote of no confidence in USGovt and USFed leadership.

The euro finished up 89 basis points, a hefty 104 bpts off the low, closing at the day's high. The yen finished up 26 basis points, a hefty 90 bpts off the low, closing at the day's high. The swissy finished up 78 basis points, having climbed all day to close at the day's high. The Canadian dollar finished up 48 basis points, a hefty 90 bpts off the low, closing at the day's high. Even crude oil, the cantilever to the petro-dollar, finished up 70 cents, a hefty 1.68 off the low, holding the majority of the day's gains. The USDollar is bloated, corroded, and mismanaged. Gold cannot hold a much lower price without confirmation by the currencys led by a bonafide recovery in the USDollar.

The follow through on Tuesday is underway. Gold has added 12 bucks. Silver has added 50 cents. Crude oil has jumped 1.40 upward. The euro is even, but the yen is up 30 basis points. We have early signs of a confirmation that Monday saw indeed a turnaround event.

One must deem as irreconcilable and inconsistent the long-term interest rates at work. Do long-term rates rise to respond to a ground swell in the Corrupted Price Index? Recall that the CPI runs now at an annualized 6% to 7% rate. Do long-term interest rates fall in realization that the Fed has already tightened too much, and broadly pinpricked the housing bubble? The entire USEconomy has been dependent upon the $12 trillion housing market, which used to be half that size before Greenspan urged its inflated condition in 2001 and 2002. Do long-term interest rates continue upward in order to attract foreign credit suppliers?

They are in a dangerous state of international rebellion, and have begun their rejection of the USDollar as world reserve currency.

http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_05/willie052406.html

Sorry,weiss mal wieder nicht wohin mit meiner Frage

hab eben in einem Artikel was über eine Firma namens Goerecursos SA gelesen.Handelt sich demnach um einen Pool aus kanadischen Firmen,die Panamas Vorkommen in den neunzigern unter sich aufgeteilt haben.Umsatz angebl.250-300 Mio. Kupfer,Gold und Molybdäen hauptsächlich. SA ist für mich = Aktiengesellschaft.
Wo findet man sowas bzw. weiss einer was?

Grüsse fitzroy

Moin Jungs,

also ich find das gar nicht so herumdümpelnd. Vor nem halben Jahr war der POG bei 480 und der HUI bei 230. Das sollte man nicht vergessen!

Viele Grüße

KR

Gold got clobbered yesterday, down $36 for June contracts. It was one of
the largest one-day drops in many years. The metal has lost about $100
from its high. Many people already think the bull market is over. The
final spike of speculative fever, they say, took gold up to $730. Now, it
is downhill from here on. As the price falls further - as it well may -
more and more latecomers to the gold market will be discouraged. They will
drop out along with the price. Even Daily Reckoning readers will begin to
wonder. Maybe the dollar is for real and forever. Maybe the world economic
system really is remarkably robust and flexible. Maybe gold really is a
relic of the past ?.

Thus is our faith tested. Not our faith in gold. We know what we think of
gold - it is nothing but an inert metal. It says nothing. It performs no
tricks or miracles. It never disappoints us. Nor does it ever really do
anything to delight or entertain us. It just sits there like a cop in a
squad car. He is of no particular use most of the time, but critically
important occasionally. No, it is not in the metal that we put our faith;
it is in man himself, generally, and central bankers and politicians in
particular. We have an abiding faith that when temptation is set before
them, they will do what such men have always done - they will go for it.

When George W. Bush moved into the White House you could buy an ounce of
gold for only $266. At the time, we thought the man from Texas was a
conservative. He said he was. Little did we know he'd become the biggest
spender of all time.

Even if Bush had turned out to be a sensible president, gold would still
have entered a bull market. These things are cyclical, after all. A
20-year slump is bound, in the course of things, to turn around sooner or
later. At the bottom of the slump, gold was a great bargain at $266. But
now, with a boom underway, is it still a bargain at $637? That's what we
are going to find out. Our guess is, yes and no. Maybe not compared to the
price at which you may be able to buy it two months from now, if the
correction continues. Maybe so, if the bull market storms ahead as we
believe it will.

If the correction follows the pattern of the price correction in the '70s
bull market in gold, the price could even fall back to the $500 level.
That would wipe out about half gold's rise from the day the neo-cons took
over American government to the peak of gold hit two weeks ago, at $720.

Five-hundred-dollar gold would still represent a solid profit for those
who bought six years ago - it would double their investment. Our guess is
that it would mark the frontier between two stages of a bull market, too.
And finally, it would give those whose faith is strong one final
opportunity to buy at a bargain price.

You will recall how easy it was. From under $300 an ounce up to $500 an
ounce, accumulating gold was simple. We set target prices, raising the
hurdle $25 at a time, and buying whenever gold dipped back to hit the
target. It was like climbing a set of stairs. But then, when gold rose
above $500, it quickly left us behind. We kept waiting for the price to
drop back to our target so we could buy more. Instead, it rose even
higher. We missed $100 of gain, and then another $100 of gain. We felt
like idiots. We had seen it coming, and still missed it. And then, when
gold soared above $700, it looked like nothing could stop it. We worried
that it would go all the way - all the way to $1,000 or $2,000 without
ever giving us another opportunity to buy at a discount. What to do, we
wondered in these pages. Close our eyes and buy, counting on the long-term
bull market to erase any timing errors? Or, sit on the sidelines and risk
missing the best part? We had no answer.

"Buy," was said, with a gulp and a prayer. It is better to be in than out,
we reasoned, even if we are not getting in at the best price. Yet, we
could not bring ourselves to buy either.

And the price rose...

And then, the financial world shuddered. The frisson originated in Japan,
we believe. After 16 years of deflation and slump, the Japanese economy is
finally pulling itself together. And Japanese central bankers are now
beginning to tighten down on the monetary valves. The money supply in
Japan is actually falling. For many years now, speculators - largely hedge
funds - have been able to borrow money in Japan at once-in-a-lifetime low
rates. This gush of easy money flooded markets all over the world - from
India, to Jakarta, to the United States - and most recently, to gold
itself. And when, all of a sudden, the cash was not so forthcoming,
investors panicked. For the first time in years, storm clouds appeared in
the speculators' paradise. Emerging markets dropped last week. The Dow
wobbled, too. Commodities - including gold - took a beating.

Tempests are never welcome, but they are most regretted when you are least
prepared for them.

Sooner or later, now or in the future, fierce weather is inevitable. Debt
begets repayment. Boom begets recession. Bull markets beget bear markets.
Stability begets instability. Any day now, China could implode, the
housing boom could collapse, foreigners could drop the dollar. Our guess
is that all those things will happen. If only we could tell you when!

All we can tell you is how to protect yourself. For that, we turn to no
less of an authority than Alan Greenspan himself (we can't think of any
less of an authority) who said in 1999: "Gold still represents the
ultimate form of payment in the world. Fiat money in extremis is accepted
by nobody. Gold is always accepted."

When the wind blows hard - that is to say, in extremis - everything begins
to flap, flutter, and fly away. People look for something solid to hold
onto.

So far, gold has gone up no more than base metal. Since 2001, gold is up
249%. Lead has risen 240%. This tells us that people have not even looked
at the barometer yet. Meanwhile, the Bush administration says it no longer
intends to continue the "strong-dollar policy," under which, the dollar
lost about half its purchasing power. We can't wait to see what happens
under a weak-dollar policy. And all over the world, people have built up
huge piles of dollars, yen, euros, and pounds - and staggeringly large
claims and counterclaims against them, including a trade in derivatives
that is now close to $300 trillion per year. Against all that, the current
stock of gold is a mere pittance, a tiny island in a vast sea of paper
money. When the winds really begin to howl, our guess is that there will
be many people who want a piece of it.

Bill Murphy says do your homework..... Radio 9 minutes

May 24 - Bill has been the driving force behind GATA - and his team have worked for over 7 years to try and make sense of the Gold Markets.

Listen to Bill explain the events of the day, with a look to the future. His message is: do your homework and also "stay the course" with your Junior Golds.
This is a shakeout that has been expected.

http://www.howestreet.com/gold…/mediaplayer?audio_id=319

Wieder ein lesenswerter Artikel von Antal E. Fekete.
Wie gewohnt lang und nicht gerade leichte Kost.
Analysiert aber den wichtigen Unterschied zwischen Metallen mit monetärer Funktion und restlichen „gewöhnlichen“ Rohstoffen.
Ein wichtiger Faktor bei der Einschätzung der Preisentwicklung von Gold/Silber.

Gruss

Monetary versus Non-monetary Commodities

Und noch ein wichtiger Nachtrag zu Antal E. Fekete aus seinem Artikel

Ultracrepidarian Musings

…
What to expect now? Sooner or later exchange officials will declare "liquidation only" policy. Thereafter the longs can close out their profitable positions only through cash settlement. The shorts are absolved of their obligation to deliver as contracted. At that moment all offers to sell cash gold will be withdrawn around the globe. Gold is not for sale at any price. Producers of essential commodities such as grains and crude oil will refuse to accept payment in dollars and will demand gold in exchange for their product. The same goes for providers of essential services such as doctors and lawyers. Scales will fall off their eyes and they will decline to give up real goods and real services in exchange for irredeemable promises to pay. The dollar, and all other paper currencies along with it, will go the way of the assignat and mandat.
Nowhere in this argument did we have to refer to supply, demand, or "more money chasing fewer goods". At any rate, Friedman's theory of monetarism won't tell you when exactly the metamorphosis of the dollar from money to trash will take place. Nor will the COT reports give you a clue or advance warning. The gold basis will. I hereby challenge all gold and silver analysts to start educating the public on this subject. I call on all PM websites to run yearly, monthly, weekly, daily, and hourly charts showing the variation of the gold basis.…

Darum ist es eben sehr wichtig, Gold und Silber auch physisch zu besitzen.