SILBER : Märkte und Informationen

also ich hab den Sinn bzw. den Zusammenhang zwischen Zins/Wucher und dem Silberpreis nicht verstanden.
Wo bleibt die logische Begründung?

.....Another area also needs clarification. Obviously, you are
very vocal in your criticism of the short interest in the futures markets,
while your criticism of the long interest is muted or non-existent. As you
know, a debate is raging in Washington about the immorality of the long
positions in energy and food-related futures contracts (see Reference
below). Your wholesale condemnation of the futures markets will not solve
the problem. Although it would put you in the same boat with Senator
Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, but don't forget, he may next propose
legislation to check the activities of people who own more than, say, 100
ounces of silver. He could blame silver investors for the collapse of the
dollar and, as such, silver hoarding could be declared against public
policy.
Finally, I have just been reading an interesting news
item in a British daily, reporting that European airlines could weather
the supply-shock of aviation fuel better than their American counterparts,
because they have been trading the oil basis. The article mentions
Lufthansa by name as one airline which has put on hedges covering 80
percent of its fuel needs, and right now is flying its planes on oil
costing only $70 per barrel, or about one half of the going price. In
comparison, American airlines have hedged an average of 20 percent of
their needs only. Question: is Lufthansa guilty of usury?.....

...ich bin etwas über diesen Abschnitt gestolpert wenn so was käme Herr Lieberman ist nicht eben meine Wellenlänge - leider beeinflussen solche Menschen das Geschehen

linar

Hallo

da schauen Sie wohl mal wieder um die Ecke unsere Realitätsverdreher.
Wenn die Staatsbanken die Notenpressen anwerfen ist das bestens.
Wenn sich die USA dadurch in die Lage versetzt über Jahre hinweg die Rohstoffe der Welt mit - Money for nothing - zu kaufen, dann ist das bestens.
Wenn das dazu führt dass es durch die Vermehrung der Geldmenge zu einer leichten Abzinsung der existierenden Vermögen kommt, dann ist das erstens im Sinne der modernen Geldtheorie und somit Mainstream und bestens.
Führt all dieses Vorgehen dazu, dass die Lage ausser Kontrolle gerät und die realen Vermögen mit fast 20 % abgezinst (p.a. und derzeit in der USA) werden, dann nenne ich das Wucher, denn das ist eine negative Verzinsung auf mein Vermögen der ich so ohne weiteres nicht entgehen kann. Ausser ich gehe in EM's. Und wenn ich das tue, dann will man mir vorwerfen ich würde dem Dollar (Euro) schaden. Ich schade ihm nicht, er schadet mir!

"Mein Freund, halte gefälligst den Kopf schön ruhig auf dem Holzklotz, sonst behinderst Du die Schafrichter beim Arbeiten." - Das wird noch lustig werden.

Zitat von Edel Man

Moin

Ein sehr langer Artikel.Hier wird eines etwas klarer:

Hommel vertritt vehement moralische Prinzipien und attackiert Praktiken am Silbermarkt.
Fekete macht hinterläßt dabei einen schwachen Eindruck, was einige Vobehalte gegen ihn, hier zuletzt geäußert, verstärkt.

http://news.silverseek.com/GoldIsMoney/1213488318.php

Grüsse

Alles anzeigen

The battle is going on in die zweite Runde: http://www.silverstockreport.com/2008/fekete2.html

Auch wenn mich persönlich Hommels Auslegungen des biblischen und damit für ihn massgeblichen Begriffs von Wucher (der gegenüber Nicht-Israeliten ja durchaus erlaubt war), nicht besonders interessiert, bleibt dieser Schlagabtausch aufschlussreich. Dies hauptsächlich natürlich wegen der notorischen Frage nach dem wahren Charakter der hohen, langjährigen Silber-Shortpositionen an der Comex - auch wenn es vielleicht einigen schon zum Hals heraushängt.

Mich würden die oben von Edel angedeuteten Vorbehalte gegen Fekete sehr interessieren, weil ich 1. davon hier im Forum nichts davon mitbekommen habe, und weil ich 2. Feketes Positionen weitgehend mitvollziehen kann. Hommels Vorstellungen z.B. von den Vorgängen an den anscheinend ehrlichen Aktienmärkten zeugen von einer fast unfassbaren (religiös erzwungenen?) Scheuklappenmentalität. Weil er in der Vergangenheit so gut verdient hat mit seinen frühen Privatplatzierungen und anschliessenden öffentlichen Empfehlungen, nachdem seine Aktien schon hochgegangen waren? Oder weil er seit Jahren immer nur am Taschenrechner die vermeintlichen ehrlichen Unzen im Boden zusammenaddiert und dann bei den mindestens ebenso wichtigen Finanzierungskosten und Kapitalbeschaffungsmassnahmen einfach nicht mehr hinsehen will, weil dann der böse Wucher das Ruder übernimmt?

Wie dem auch sei, in dieser Debatte finden sich etliche interessante Aspekte. Man kann ihr allerdings nicht vollinhaltlich folgen, wenn man sich nicht mit dem von Fekete so ausführlich untersuchten Konzept der Basis (Differenz zw. Spot- und Futurepreis bei Rohstoffen) befassen möchte.

grüsse
auratico

Silver—Two Sides of the Story

June 20, 2008

What drives the price of silver? Certainly it is a function of buying and selling pressure, and primarily, this price setting mechanism takes place on the COMEX. However, so much has been written recently about short selling, price management, and naked sales, and on and on, that I wanted to take a more basic look at demand. Real demand and investment demand, regardless of how the price is set, fall into two main categories. We have investment demand (monetary demand), and we have industrial demand. In this year’s World Silver Survey 2008, sponsored by the Silver Institute, under the Investment Chapter it states, "Investor activity was the main driver of the high and volatile silver price in 2007."

Ah ha! Just as always maintained by me (and others), the main driving force for silver prices will be investment demand! It seems even Gold Fields Minerals Services (GFMS), which compiles the study, agrees with us.

If one considers that the main silver ETF holds almost two hundred million ounces of silver out of a possible five hundred million ounces, we can see investment demand is strong and getting stronger.

The Silver Eagle program averages around 10 million ounces per year, with 2008 being an exceptional year so far, and if we look at silver "coin" demand here, we might make a case for perhaps five percent of the silver market being demand of this type. However, my contention is that almost all participants in the silver ETF, Central Fund of Canada, Bullion Management Services, and several pool and certificate programs is the primary investment demand, although this demand is in bullion not coin form.

The largest demand for silver is still industrial demand, making up over 50% of the total demand. Some of this silver is recycled each year primarily through photography, but much also from electronics and a small amount of actual scrap silver (jewelry and coin). The total recycled silver is significant, comprising approximately 180 million troy ounces, or just under what the iShares Silver Trust holds in the SLV ETF. GFMS stated lower scrap recovery even though prices of silver were going up in 2007. Further, supply side developments were also supportive, with government sales almost halving. Lower photographic scrap is the key reason total scrap supply fell.

As stated in last week’s article, l was very pleased to have the opportunity to shed some light on the merits of silver. This week we delved into the uses of silver. The link below is my interview from the Money Show.

http://www.moneyshow.com/msc/i…t.asp?v=2085&scode=011490

As I stated during that interview, silver is continually used in new products, and one that I have been speaking about in the past few presentations is silver zinc batteries. The potential is huge, because the most important feature of a mobile device, be it computer, music player, or cell phone, is the life of the battery.

Today’s technology is based on lithium-ion cells that are reasonably easy to manufacture and quite cheap. However, a new battery technology was announced by the company ZPower, and it is aimed at replacing the lithium-ion power cells with a battery makeup that is offering higher power outputs.

According to industry sources, "ZPower presented this new battery technology, which is based on a silver zinc composite at the Intel Developer Forum, and according to the news site DailyTech, this new battery is able to offer an energy output that is 30 percent higher than previous lithium-ion based power packs, and it is also a safe technology as the ZPower president and chief executive officer, Ross Dueber, said that these batteries can be overcharged without problems in order to allow for extended operating periods."

Finally, if you watched the video you know there are numerous uses for silver in the electrical world. Here are a few headlines I have collected over the past few years from the Silver Institute.

Electrical Uses

Superconductor Pioneers Honored With Nobel Prize

World’s Smallest Light Source Comes From Silver

New Class of Silver Compounds May Advance Superconductivity

Silver Iodide Turned to Glass - Holds Promise for New Batteries and Displays

Lasers and Silver Atoms Hold Promise for Switching Future Optical Network

China Joins the Superconductor 100-Plus Meter Club

Silver to Star in New Superconductor Plant

Silver-Sheathed Motors For Ship Propulsion

New Technique Makes Silver Tougher

Silver Clusters Become the New Computer Memory

Electric Power and Silver Share a Long History

Silver-Sheathed HTS Coils to Power First 1,000-Horsepower Motor

Hi-T Superconductor Electricity Storage Device Unit Can Prevent Power Outages

Silver-Coated Wire Device Stores Electricity

Department of Energy Announces National Superconductivity Program

Tiny Silver-Coated Spheres Play Big Roles

Silver Boosts Efficiency of Electric Motors

Silver Provides Spark Plugs with Revolutionary Performance

In conclusion, silver does have a split personality: it is part industrial imperative and part investment essential.

It is an honor to be,

David Morgan

Zitat von Eldorado

Silver—Two Sides of the Story

Top Info! Danke!

Mir fällt es langsam immer schwerer den Begriff "kriminell" klar zu definieren....

Die ganze Welt ist irgendwie kriminell. Da habe ich sogar Mitleid mit Dieben und andere Räubern.

Auf jeden Fall ist Silber heute mal wieder absolut trostlos.

Zitat von Edel Man

Bemerkenswertes Interview mit Sean Rakhimow, einem der Mitgründer der rennommierten Website "Siverstrategies.com"

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Ha,das sind Zahlen für Silberbugs!!Nur sagt der Rakhimov nicht,wann sie uns erfreuen.Aber er geht auch auf das Verhältnis zu Gold ein, das ich gestern zufällig mit Edel in seinem Depot besprach.
1 : 15 würde passen.

---Over the longer term, however, I believe silver will do spectacularly well. I absolutely believe we will see three-digit prices, perhaps over $200, and possibly over $300— as outrageous as it may sound right now. The looming financial crisis will be much more severe and prolonged than anything we can imagine. There will be a depression of sorts, especially in the U.S. and I expect silver to be one of the stellar performers.---
---Earlier you said: "Silver gives you more leverage than gold." Could you expand on that? SR: That is undeniably true. The natural ratio depends on how much more gold is mined than silver; in some areas more silver is mined than gold, as is the case in Latin America versus South Africa. The natural ratio is in the range of 10 to 15 and it has lasted for thousands of years.---

Gruß

silberelfe